I’ll leave this piece of propaganda here:




We now have photos of how Utkin actually looked like which seems to be nothing similar to the one spread through MSM. Do you think anyone will retract the fake news?

See where Utkins ears start above the level of his eyes. Ears of the guy with tattoos start way below his eyes.

The mouth of the guy with tattoos is twice the size of Utkins.



This post was edited by Malopox on Sep 18 2023 02:11pm

These people are talking out both sides of their mouth. On one hand they believe in democracy and self-determination being a fundamental reason to support Ukraine, on the other hand they go ostrich head in the sand when it comes to basic realities about Crimea. They don't care that Crimea is overwhelmingly ethnic Russian, they don't care that it's been a Russian territory for centuries and somehow believe that a communist leader signing off the territory decades ago through decree (I guess some authoritarian decisions are valid and it's okay to discard self-determination???) is the ultimate and supreme reason why it's Ukrainian land.

I don't really understand how they don't understand that those two positions are incongruent.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Sep 18 2023 02:19pm

I agree the mouths look different. If you notice the angle the guy is looking down in the left picture and the right hand picture the camera is basically eye level.
The ears and nose are exactly the same shape/profile.

If it is the same guy he gained (or lost) like 25lbs betwenn pictures ^^

Regarding Utkin pics, I think that is the same guy

Looks like he has his chin tucked in one picture, which changes the shape of his face a bit. The angle would change the ear level in relation to the eyes and the frown lines extend his mouth.

Might be wrong but I would bet it is the same guy

It's him, no doubt about it, but this is not a big deal today so you should simply move on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin#Wagner_Group

Utkin was seen in the Kremlin during the celebration of Fatherland's Heroes Day on 9 December 2016. He attended the celebration as a laureate of four Orders of Courage,[31][32] and was photographed with the President of Russia, Vladimir Putin.[33] Dmitry Peskov, the Press Secretary for the Russian President, admitted that Utkin was among the invitees, but did not comment on his connection with the mercenaries.[19] This was reportedly Utkin's last public appearance.[34]

https://tass.ru/politika/3875744







On a side note: it's exactly the same kind of ears

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Sep 18 2023 02:31pm

They share facial features yes and you could argue camera lens / camera angle is different, but I haven’t seen solid proof / not convinced it’s the same guy.

This post was edited by Malopox on Sep 18 2023 02:35pm

you're so desperately trying to make it sound like it's just a couple of guys who claim a territory that is somehow contested who it belongs to internationally, when in reality it is territory that, according to countless international treaties simply belongs to ukraine the country, its people - not some specific government, lol - that's simply not how international borders work these days, they don't become up for debate just because a government changes...

again, even russia itself repeatedly acknowledged those borders and assured ukraine territorial integrity and political independence.

your whole routine of suggesting crimea and donbas were somehow territories that didn't really belong to any specific country prior to pootin's repeated invasions, and that russia had claims to them that were equally or even more legitimate than ukraine's, is nothing but moronic kremlin propaganda, it's simply not true. it completely ignores international agreements and the concept of international borders.

the mental gymnastics of pootlickers always amaze me... xD

I don't think there are many pictures of the guy so not much to go off of but do you have any reason to think it isn't the same guy?

The angle is definitely different and his chin is tucked, which causes that weird double chin look, the lighting also makes a huge difference, soft ambient light vs harsh angled sunlight. It enhances all the lines, like when you put a flashlight under your face (this might not be universal so here's an example)

The rules based international order is dead and the US killed it, I know as a German it must be unthinkable that people aren't following procedure but please get yourself together

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin

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Castner, Brian (1 June 2022). "The White Power Mercenaries Fighting For The Lost Cause Around the World". Time. Archived from the original on 6 June 2022.
"Signs of Neo-Nazi Ideology Amongst Russian Mercenaries". Res Publica. 26 March 2021. Archived from the original on 17 May 2022.
Tunis, Samer al-Atrush. "Russia's Wagner mercenaries calls the shots in fight for control of Libya". The Times. ISSN 0140-0460. Archived from the original on 5 June 2022.
"The secretive Russian mercenaries 'ordered to kill' Ukraine's president". National World. Archived from the original on 27 March 2022. Retrieved 1 March 2022.
"Путин принимал в Кремле командира российских наемников. Что о нем известно?". Meduza (in Russian). Archived from the original on 4 June 2022.

but hey, must all be western propaganda, there are no neo-nazis in the russian military and amongst its mercenaries, right? just smears. it's not like there's overwhelming evidence that white supremacist / nazi ideology is widespread and popular in russia, and that utkin was a very proud and open follower of that ideology...