Quote (Djunior @ 16 Jul 2023 13:38)

--> @25:25, Taiwan's outdated 1960 era Hawk air defense system headed to Ukraine. An act of desperation just like sending cluster munitions?
The whole thing is well worth watching btw (A look at the map, Ukraine's counteroffensive stalling, Russian defenses, the losses, comparing artillery, Ukraine needs more counter battery radars, etc)
All articles linked below (you tube)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10c74m3u47A

Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 16 2023 01:49pm)

So I don't think the lack of answers to any of this has changed in months:

• That Ukraine was a legitimate democracy prior to 2014 and America helped overthrow their government in a color revolution and set up a client state.
  
• That the population of the separatist regions overwhelming supported joining Russia because they are mostly ethnic Russians who had been in a siege for most of a decade.
  
• That Nazism was and still is widespread among Ukraine's military and especially eastern population bordering the separatist regions.
  
• That the conflict has been immensely destructive on both sides, with large casualties and many war crimes and cities razed and extensive landmining that will persist.
  
• That the most likely outcome hasn't changed at all, that battle lines are static and entrenched, and all casualties between now and the eventual resolution will be for nothing

Is there any change to any of that?

Quote (Meanwhile @ Jul 16 2023 05:52pm)

These very sad nukes not only it stopped Nazis but it also stopped Staline's regime which killed 20 millions of its own people.
It's not hard to consider the potential damage barbaric regimes like the Soviet/Russian elites or even the CCP (which killed likes 50 or 80 millions of its own people) coud have done to our World if US & associated democracies were not in charge to stop them.
These 2 regimes, which are still alive today, would probably have exterminated and enslaved billion(s) people. Putin's "Multipolar World, free of US"...? No intelligent person would believe this bullshit.

Russia has traditionally been ruled by tsars and boyars, there never was “true sovereignty of peoples” or any kind of fair justice and equality. Same for chinese red princes.
Don't expect they act or acted better than the West, would simply have been 100 times worse.

Quote (Goomshill)

That Nazism was and still is widespread among Ukraine's military and especially eastern population bordering the separatist regions.

Quote (ferdia @ 16 Jul 2023 18:22)

What metric did you use to support the notion that ultra-nationalists are predominantly in eastern Ukraine ?

Quote (Neptunus @ 16 Jul 2023 17:42)

Well, were talking about what is and what has happened. Not about what could've been if...

Quote (ofthevoid @ 16 Jul 2023 17:51)

Lmao this guy is so incredibly dumb. Nukes stop the Nazis. No… Nazi Germany was stopped by effort of the alies mostly the soviets with 80% of nazi losses happening on the eastern front.

Nukes were used when basically the war was over and the only real reason is because invading mainland Japan would have been extremely costly. So we decided to nuke them to break their will and get the surrender.

I think most historians would agree it wasn’t necessary. At that point in history the global war was lost by the axis powers. I don’t understand how anyone can look back and say that using nukes was a net good for humanity.

Quote (Norlander @ Jul 16 2023 04:49pm)

Reread

Quote (Meanwhile @ Jul 16 2023 11:56am)

You are projecting alot. You love Ruzzia and Staline's Gulag ? There's plenty of space for you and your family in Siberia, why aren't you moving on ?

It's well know that US also (if not mostly) bombed Japan in 1945 to demonstrate its power to the USSR which was advancing to the east direction. Imagine not being aware of this and saying others are "dumb". If down-leveling did not exist you would have invented it.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 16 Jul 2023 18:08)

Nazi Germany surrendered months before nukes were used, so how did the nukes stop the nazis?

Demonstrating power by wiping out 200+k people mostly civilians is incredibly sinister. I’m really glad almost all my opinions are diametrically opposed to yours because you’re and incredibly shitty human.