Don't try to time travel or to pretend that Nato tried to invade Russia... Here's what you said:

"The only way to proceed IMO is to negotiate and Ukrainian neutrality is a no brainer, Russia won't accept any other outcome. Crimea is a no brainer too but likely all 4 territories that were annexed."

- Do you think Ukrainians will accept their fate and stop fighting ?
- Do you think Russia will accept to give back all what it stole (in museums etc) ?
- Do you think Russia will deliver all the war criminals who were decorated by Putin ?
- Do you think Russia will pay war reparations ?
- Are you sure it will put Europe in a good position for the future ?
- Are you sure Russia will not try, later, to take others territories or small countries (including the rest of Ukraine) ?

Btw recently Putin said Ukraine was belonging to Russian Empire, and that "Ukraine" isn't even a country on the map...
Also: https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3224021/putin-ponders-should-russia-try-take-ukraines-capital-kyiv-again

I am asking you again, are you sure your "solution" will bring peace ?



This post was edited by Meanwhile on Jun 14 2023 02:46pm

In terms of a peace deal, it is a FACT that the west DOES NOT want peace today.

This is a video from yesterday:



There was another one from a couple of days ago where this man said now is not the time to look for peace, only from a position of strength can Ukraine look for peace with Russia. This logic is simply not sound in my opinion and the additional support outlined in the video above will only bring us closer to a Nato v Russia direct conflict, which Nato wins hands down, ergo the risk of non-conventional escalation. The EU sees this as russian imperialism. The US sees it as maintaining its perceived sphere of influence and Russia sees it as an existential threat. Those ideas/values/views are a recipe for disaster.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 14 2023 03:34pm

Instead of saying that Nato "doesn't want peace" (While Russia invaded Ukraine...)... In practice, concretely, step by step, what is your solution for "peace" then ? Thanks in advance for a clear point instead of crying wolf.

All priests who speak out against the Ukraine war will be prosecuted

https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/06/14/russian-orthodox-church-officially-renounces-pacifism-en

Nice regime.

Poor evaluation, and even worse comprehension.

Your opinion on this is worthless. Not only because it is badly formed; but because it is not you that decides. It is Ukrainians that decide whether they will continue to fight.
It's not the EU, it's not NATO, it's not stoltenberg and it certainly isn't you.

You also take for granted that Russia wish to end the war as soon as The West would agree.
What utter nonsense. Your proven yourself completely worthless of commentary on the subject.

Stick to plugging youtube cudeos, b0tting d2r and congratulating supporters of genocide. Pathetic.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jun 14 2023 04:27pm

your typical, intellectually lazy, pro-russian take on the issue.

"the west" would LOVE to have peace. there isn't a single western leader that'd oppose actual peace in ukraine, not even the bloodthirsty and powerhungry yanks. remember, "the west" did neither want nor start the war. russia did. if russia withdrew from ukraine tomorrow and offered peace, "the west" and ukraine would happily accept that.

you KNOW that of course. it just doesn't fit your moronic "both sides" narrative. so you frame it like the west just "wants" this brutal war. that's just absurd and dishonest.
in reality, "the west" simply does not want to reward the murdering of women and children, the destruction of a whole country, and the damage done to the economy, with massive territorial and political gains. understandably so. russia's constant aggression against its neighbours, its strategy of initiating or fabricating a crisis, invading and annexing the region, declaring "peace", and inevitably coming back for even more later, has to end - once and for all.

in short, "the west" doesn't want a temporary, fragile "peace" that rewards russia for starting a war. "the west" wants real and lasting peace, not a deal that'd just encourage future wars.

It's impressive you are able to maintain this level of frothing at the mouth rage all the time, seems like it would be tiring but not for you. Inspirational really.

Fender will be okay, he just needs a little time to get over his panzers getting wrecked, everyone try to be supportive and kind during this difficult period.

the west would love to have peace HAHAHAHA



heinrich loves to see panzers rolling east again, just like the good old days

And you, what you are ? 2022 & 2021 accounts doing personal attacks = Trolls.