lol this guy always posting same shity picture xD nobody care about UN resolution xD.

fact is India, africa , china ,Brazil ect... are with Russia. ITS OVER.

Did Russia capture Bakhmut yet?

i think ppl asked that last year.

time question, atm russia got 20% of ukraine.

Curious to know if the counter-offensive will start before Russia takes 100% of it.

You mean Artemovsk

Exactly. It's taking them 6+ months to capture one single city although that city has been the paramount focus of their operations.



2022 called, it wants its talking points back.

"Russia got 20% of Ukraine, it's only a matter of time until they get the rest" was a valid opinion 12 months ago. Today, one year later, it's turned out to be a laughably wrong prediction.
(This doesn't have to mean, though, that Ukraine will succeed at winning back significant chunks of the territory which Russia managed to take.)

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 18 2023 03:49pm

So its in Russias interest to send thousands of men to certainly die, instead of taking the chance that thousands may or may not die (by NATO)? Baltics and Finland in NATO arent endangering Russian security but Ukraine is? Keep in mind im already stretching my own views a lot just to cater to your talking points and find common ground. as we all know there is no historical evidence of NATO emdangering its neighbours.

Russia is trying to justify its concerns exactly like NATO then tho (not that NATO itself is threatened), the only difference being it invades the countries it wants to have under its wings. I mean youre really trying to play a radical centrist here as if you were above this matter, arent you?

The people were sleeping. They didnt care. But war and hard times bring out nationalism and patriotism. In the end its a question of an intruder in your own lands and if you didnt believe in your own land earlier, you are very inclined to do so later. I know some Ukrainians and i know some Russians, im familiar with at least some of the thoughts out there.

When you say "half-truths" youre painting me as an opponent of truth simply because im giving a perspective on how the Ukraine-Russia being brotherly nations isnt a one-sides issue. Every fact is a half-truth and you as a proponent of a multi-faceted approach to the conflict should understand that all there is is half-truths and thats why were having a discussion here.

And no, it's not any different. Greater cultures assimilate smaller ones into them, this has happened in the Arab world through conquest, Russification has happened in Soviet states, and even prior to Soviet times... Spanish in Latin America (its even included in the name lol).

The brotherly nations story applies to Ukraine and Poland too. They act in public like their allies now, which they are in a strictly political sense now, but they also share a a recent and controversial history of violence.

This post was edited by Neptunus on Apr 18 2023 04:23pm

The death toll (according to US leaked documents and Russian numbers) seem to be in Russian favour 7:1. Considering that Russians have 7 times the population, odds are 49:1. It seems “demilitarization” is going quite fast. Let’s see if that counteroffensive with German tanks will yield any results.

I do not agree that NATO neighbours should not be afraid as eg Operation Unified Protector showed that a NATO intervention can occur even though this is supposed to be a “defensive” alliance only.

If there is a split between NATO members - members can still draw on political allies within the block for support to invade countries arbitrarily with a made up casus belli against international law and with a nice UN condemnation vote that does nothing in practice.



I would like to draw a historical parallel with your homeland - Finland. Russians have “liberated” Finland from Sweden in early 19th century and kept it as a relatively autonomous region (Grand Duchy) for almost a hundred years. Finns were relatively free to govern themselves, kept their language, traditions and autonomy. Only when Russians tried to integrated/assimilate finns in the beginning of the 20th century by forcing Russian language / reducing autonomy - did the troubles start. Please correct me if I’m wrong as I might be grossly oversimplifying a hundred years of history.

You could argue the same parallels for Ukraine were a region which could have been granted autonomy due to its historical roots and political closeness with whomever they wanted to associate with. Instead an official language they barely spoke was being forced on them, their autonomy revoked, their democratically elected president overthrown by a foreign power. As a Finn - I’m sure that would piss you off is somebody would overthrow your government in Helsinki and try to align with Russia right now.

The developments we have seen and the recent revelations by eg Mrs Nuland cast doubts on whether the choice was truly of the people - or the people were being manipulated by somebody playing their own game for their own good.

After all - the bloodiest conflict of 2022 was not Ukraine/Russia - yet we hear almost nothing about that war as neither Russia, nor China nor US have any strategic interest in Tigray.

/edit: typos

This post was edited by Malopox on Apr 18 2023 04:59pm