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Mar 5 2023 03:20pm
Quote (ferdia @ 5 Mar 2023 21:56)
why do you always say that anyone that is old, is senile and therefore all of what they say is just stupid because they are old. you have said this about the last 2 sources we used. old does not equate to being senile, or wrong.


Never said that. On the other hand i pointed this problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease

https://www.youtube.com/@DouglasMacgregorStraightCalls

That guy is terrible loool

'Ukrainians Cannot Operate The Equipment They Are Receiving'
'Ukrainians are falling apart'
'The full obliteration of the Ukrainian Army is here'
'The Ukrainians are staring down the barrel of a VERY BIG GUN'
'The Ukrainian casualties have gone THROUGH THE ROOF'

etc etc...



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Mar 5 2023 03:28pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 5 2023 10:20pm)
Never said that. On the other hand i pointed this problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease

https://www.youtube.com/@DouglasMacgregorStraightCalls

That guy is terrible loool

'Ukrainians Cannot Operate The Equipment They Are Receiving'
'Ukrainians are falling apart'
'The full obliteration of the Ukrainian Army is here'
'The Ukrainians are staring down the barrel of a VERY BIG GUN'
'The Ukrainian casualties have gone THROUGH THE ROOF'

etc etc...


MacGregor is right, MSM are not.

Up to this day MSM are only reporting Ukrainian civilians killed, they made you believe that Ukrainians are supermen, what a tool you are.

This post was edited by Djunior on Mar 5 2023 03:29pm
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Quote (Djunior @ 5 Mar 2023 22:28)
MacGregor is right, MSM are not.

Up to this day MSM are only reporting Ukrainian civilians killed, they made you believe that Ukrainians are supermen, what a tool you are.


I know, this is the political insults you are using: "hypocrite", "tool", whatever that can bypass moderation, and you are using ALOT.

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With a softer style Douglas Macgregor could get some credibility, unfortunately his shit is so polarized it destroys itself.

Let's continue:

"Russia is striking Ukraine with accurate devastating firepower"
"The Ukrainian army has been bled to death"
"The Ukrainians fall back and regroup or they'll be ANNIHILATED"
"The Ukrainian regime is ON THE VERGE OF COLLAPSE"


So i go deeper: 3-4 months ago:

"700.000 Russian troops are now devouring Ukraine"
"Things cannot go on like this any longer in Ukraine"
"Ukraine capitulation is on the horizon"
"The Armed Forces of Ukraine are desperate"


etc... Douglas Macgregor got butthurt so much since Trump admin that he decided to sell his ass to Russia or something like this. I was expecting something bad; it's even worse.
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Mar 5 2023 04:00pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 5 2023 09:58pm)
I know, this is the political insults you are using: "hypocrite", "tool", whatever that can bypass moderation, and you are using ALOT.

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With a softer style Douglas Macgregor could get some credibility, unfortunately his shit is so polarized it destroys itself.

Let's continue:

"Russia is striking Ukraine with accurate devastating firepower"
"The Ukrainian army has been bled to death"
"The Ukrainians fall back and regroup or they'll be ANNIHILATED"
"The Ukrainian regime is ON THE VERGE OF COLLAPSE"


So i go deeper: 3-4 months ago:

"700.000 Russian troops are now devouring Ukraine"
"Things cannot go on like this any longer in Ukraine"
"Ukraine capitulation is on the horizon"
"The Armed Forces of Ukraine are desperate"


etc... Douglas Macgregor got butthurt so much since Trump admin that he decided to sell his ass to Russia or something like this. I was expecting something bad; it's even worse.


to be fair here, i tend to agree with meanwhile here. I am taking what Douglas Macgregor is saying with a pinch of salt and his langauge is too one sided, its not moderate at all. this also goes for several other americans that are all doom and gloom.
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Mar 5 2023 05:58pm
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 5 2023 01:15pm)
You shouldn't be such a hypocrite, LOL

BTW did the rest of the world completely lose their shit, impose the mother of all sanctions on the US, freeze assets, confiscate personal belongings etc etc etc etc when the US (or coalition) goes to war against another nation and bombs them into dust? Nah didn't think so.


please point me to where I state attacking civilians ok because some other country did it.
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Quote (theCrossbones @ 6 Mar 2023 00:58)
please point me to where I state attacking civilians ok because some other country did it.


djunior still straw-manning the ever living shit out of everyone trying to downplay russian war crimes by comparison? those bots will never change, lol...
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 4 2023 08:19pm)
Quite a tongue in cheek statement but I take it at face value :D
The counter to that point would be to point out the world leading education institutions are in the US and UK; China definitely has its own world leading institutions.



Its a great analogy and I totally understand a conflict of some level makes more sense for the US sooner than it does later; If China is able to continue its path of growth and development.
Anyone that says a direct conflict is likely in anything less than 25 years, by that I mean 2050 is completely wrong. In my opinion.



I'm not a in position to judge that or dispute it. It resonates with me. I have long seen a limiting factor of the "old world" of Europe and now of the United States is that existing infrastructure becomes outdated or degraded.
An example of this is Edinburgh compared to say Frankfurt. Germany was leveled in parts after world war 2 and was therefore rebuilt with a more modern template; Edinburgh has been in its existing state since the industrial revolution.
The roads and city layout were literally designed for horses and carts. Perhaps the same applies to comparing US/EU cities to modern cities in Asia.


Unfortunately there has been a further escalation. I will provide various sources.

CNBC: China to increase defense spending by 7.2%
Financial Times: Defence expenditure to rise by 7.2% in 2023 compared with 5.7% growth in public expenditure
BBC: China says it will increase military spending by more than 7% this year, while warning of "escalating" threats.
Euronews: China to increase military spending by 7.2%

Now I know several users seem to think that this just "magically happened" and there are "abosolutely no causes, threats or justification" but more rationale people would say something like: It is clear that the US wants to send Russia back into the Stone Age, and after they are done with Russia, China is next. Therefore China would behove itself to increase its military spending. And now they are.

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Unfortunately there has been a further escalation. I will provide various sources.

CNBC: China to increase defense spending by 7.2%
Financial Times: Defence expenditure to rise by 7.2% in 2023 compared with 5.7% growth in public expenditure
BBC: China says it will increase military spending by more than 7% this year, while warning of "escalating" threats.
Euronews: China to increase military spending by 7.2%

Now I know several users seem to think that this just "magically happened" and there are "abosolutely no causes, threats or justification" but more rationale people would say something like: It is clear that the US wants to send Russia back into the Stone Age, and after they are done with Russia, China is next. Therefore China would behove itself to increase its military spending. And now they are.


Its alot more simple than that in my opinion.
China want to be a global power. That involves miltary spending.

Your narrative about China is next is not something I can agree with.
Is there likely a proxy war between US and China? Probably.
Taiwan, Korea, South China sea, Myanmar potentially.

A direct conflict? Not happening in our lifetimes.
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Also that narrative assumes you believe the US is primarily responsible for the Ukraine war.
Which I do not believe.
Russia is primarily to blame for the Ukraine war, at the behest of Putin.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 6 2023 09:32am)
Its alot more simple than that in my opinion.
China want to be a global power. That involves miltary spending.

Your narrative about China is next is not something I can agree with.
Is there likely a proxy war between US and China? Probably.
Taiwan, Korea, South China sea, Myanmar potentially.

A direct conflict? Not happening in our lifetimes.


You did read the part where it said "BBC: China says it will increase military spending by more than 7% this year, while warning of "escalating" threats."
You did read the part where the US has repeatedly called China a "Threat" ?
If youi dont call the Russia / Ukrainian events a war between the West and Russia then I guess any...conflict... involving the US and China can be called a "special operation".

Some years ago, 2 men broke into a house, killed the occupant and after working a bit, dumped the parts into a local canal. The initial thought was that they were robbers and the guy was unfortunate to be at home.
It later came to light that the occupant was of the same nationality, and his girlfriend was that nationality too. On further investigation it was determined that the guy had been systematically torturing his girlfriend for months. she phoned home to try to get help but her parents were out. Her brother answered the phone. He said he would get their parents to call her. He did not. He phoned 2 men in ireland and they dealt with the matter.

there is such a thing as pre-meditated. The entire narrative of Russia is entirely to blame is competely ignoring the fact that the US IS ON RECORD of replacing the Ukrainian government via a coup. The calls are freely available to listen to on youtube and no doubt there is a book about it too.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 6 2023 04:07am
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