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Mar 5 2023 11:40am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 5 Mar 2023 18:30)
That an older picture of Putato? He looks fucked now like.



Yeah valid point here. The last vote meant countries with a larger amount of people abstained or voted against pressuring Russia's actions.
Also balanced to point out the votes are cast in the name of those populations; And as we know one person(or few people) representing large amounts of people is a crude reflection of reality.

Russia doesn't have that many people in the grand scheme of things.


Whether leaders or average citizens, the vast majority of the WORLD is siding with Ukraine, which itself is on the West/Freeworld side.
After that there will only be one solution left to the Puticks: to only focuse and attack US 24/7 while ignoring the main topic...
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Mar 5 2023 11:44am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 5 2023 05:30pm)
That an older picture of Putato? He looks fucked now like.



Yeah valid point here. The last vote meant countries with a larger amount of people abstained or voted against pressuring Russia's actions.
Also balanced to point out the votes are cast in the name of those populations; And as we know one person(or few people) representing large amounts of people is a crude reflection of reality.

Russia doesn't have that many people in the grand scheme of things.


this is a finer point and i will agree with the naunce made here.
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Mar 5 2023 12:21pm
Quote (IceMage @ Mar 5 2023 02:32pm)
We didn't fool them, because the Russians then, or now, weren't the complete ignoramuses your narrative paints them as. Whatever was discussed behind closed doors, they had to know any commitment to not expand NATO eastward at that time was subject to commitments written on paper and the next administration's assessment of whether that commitment should be held. The Obama administration signed a nuclear deal with Iran, and Trump scrapped it. Do you think Iran was unaware that was a possbility? Are you arguing that the Russians are so inferior intellectually as to not understand the same sort of thing could've happened? Commitments between countries are made on paper. The words from a Secretary of State don't mean much if the administration he represents doesn't commit it to paper.

Ukraine and Georgia weren't even on the road to joining NATO when Russia invaded their countries. That's just another bullshit Russian talking point, like the idea that the US orchestrated the uprising in Ukraine.

This is consistent with your posts so far though. You look at Eastern European countries that have been historically subjegated by Russia as beholden to the West. You think they don't actually want to join the West, they are pressured. And when the Ukranians overthrow their Russian-aligned leader, you attribute it to the West.

It's just detached from reality. Eastern European countries(including Ukraine) want to align more closely with the West and less closely with Russia because of obvious reasons, like their desire for sovereignty, freedom, economic opportunity, etc. Russia is a backwards country surviving from their oil and nuclear weapons. They are a relic of a world that we are moving past, and Ukrainians understand that.


You're living in your own reality, lol. A coup déta (Euromaidan) installed a pro-Western puppet to ensure that Ukraine stayed on the road to NATO /EU membership. I already posted the source.

Russia encompasses 1/8 of the total inhabitable landmass, filled with natural resources just FYI. You're clueless.

BTW (Euromaidan 2014)



LOL
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Mar 5 2023 12:26pm
Quote (ferdia @ 5 Mar 2023 15:53)
his argument is totally shit. America lost so much international support for ditching the Iran deal. I am not debating the merits of the deal, I am commenting on the US reneging on a deal. What he is trying to validate is global superpowers reneging on deals. mental.


Like Russia blatantly violating the Budapest memorandum in which they pledged to respect Ukraine's borders, refrain from the use or threat of force against Ukraine and refrain from economic coercion?
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Mar 5 2023 12:27pm
Quote (Djunior @ 6 Mar 2023 02:23)


it is unusually annoying to converse with someone who lies and uses a Storm Shield'ed Hammerdin in a GM PVP.
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Mar 5 2023 12:29pm
Quote (ferdia @ Mar 5 2023 05:30pm)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl4OyPwLF8w

ok i posted the above before i watched it all. its quite depressing. if people dont like the video feel free to refute it.


Good source, MacGregor has insider knowledge, for example sources that check obituaries all across Russia and Ukraine to present the most accurate numbers on casualties and he shits on Western MSM propaganda (which is why Meanwhile doesn't like him).

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Mar 5 2023 12:39pm
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 5 2023 06:21pm)
You're living in your own reality, lol. A coup déta (Euromaidan) installed a pro-Western puppet to ensure that Ukraine stayed on the road to NATO /EU membership. I already posted the source.

Russia encompasses 1/8 of the total inhabitable landmass, filled with natural resources just FYI. You're clueless.

BTW (Euromaidan 2014)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg

LOL


1/8 of inhabitable landmass but 1million inhabitants left when Putato declared his genocide on Ukraine, can you say brain drain?; Nobody is rushing to inhabit Russia.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Mar 5 2023 12:39pm
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Mar 5 2023 01:27pm
Quote (Djunior @ 5 Mar 2023 19:29)
Good source, MacGregor has insider knowledge, for example sources that check obituaries all across Russia and Ukraine to present the most accurate numbers on casualties and he shits on Western MSM propaganda (which is why Meanwhile doesn't like him).


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Macgregor

You realize that this guy said:

2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine he said:
Three days after the war began, he said "The battle in eastern Ukraine is really almost over,"
"If [Ukraine] don't surrender in the next 24 hours, I suspect Russia will ultimately annihilate them."
"Russia should be allowed to seize whatever parts of Ukraine it wanted"
Later he revised his prediction:
"The first five days Russian forces I think frankly were too gentle. They've now corrected that. So, I would say another 10 days this should be completely over..."

His opinion on NATO :
In a 2016 presentation to military students, Macgregor said that "old alliances like NATO may vanish", arguing that it is "time to reexamine U.S. investment in 'allies' that are doing too little to secure their own sovereign interests" and that the "Cold War ended 27 years ago"

Finally, on ukraine again, months later:
In September 2022, he again predicted on Carlson's show that “this war may be over soon”[66] and later in the month "the Ukrainian army is bled white, tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops have been killed or wounded, Ukraine is really on the ropes".


=> I don't really have much of a personal opinion on this guy. But proofs are here he is dangerously wrong and a clown.
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Mar 5 2023 02:13pm
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 5 2023 01:21pm)
You're living in your own reality, lol. A coup déta (Euromaidan) installed a pro-Western puppet to ensure that Ukraine stayed on the road to NATO /EU membership. I already posted the source.

Russia encompasses 1/8 of the total inhabitable landmass, filled with natural resources just FYI. You're clueless.

BTW (Euromaidan 2014)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg

LOL


It's a bullshit talking point, always has been.

Here's a useful explainer about the uprising:
https://www.thebulwark.com/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-in-2014-and-since-then/

There's a substantive difference between a popular uprising and an unpopular coup. For instance, the American revolution was a popular uprising, while Trump's machinations after he lost to Biden were an attempted coup.

Also, even if it were true, it doesn't in any way justify what the Russians have engaged in the past year. You're helping to justify a campaign that uses genocidal language and tactics.

Quote (Djunior @ Mar 5 2023 01:29pm)
Good source, MacGregor has insider knowledge, for example sources that check obituaries all across Russia and Ukraine to present the most accurate numbers on casualties and he shits on Western MSM propaganda (which is why Meanwhile doesn't like him).


Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 5 2023 02:27pm)
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Macgregor

You realize that this guy said:

2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine he said:
Three days after the war began, he said "The battle in eastern Ukraine is really almost over,"
"If [Ukraine] don't surrender in the next 24 hours, I suspect Russia will ultimately annihilate them."
"Russia should be allowed to seize whatever parts of Ukraine it wanted"
Later he revised his prediction:
"The first five days Russian forces I think frankly were too gentle. They've now corrected that. So, I would say another 10 days this should be completely over..."

His opinion on NATO :
In a 2016 presentation to military students, Macgregor said that "old alliances like NATO may vanish", arguing that it is "time to reexamine U.S. investment in 'allies' that are doing too little to secure their own sovereign interests" and that the "Cold War ended 27 years ago"

Finally, on ukraine again, months later:
In September 2022, he again predicted on Carlson's show that “this war may be over soon”[66] and later in the month "the Ukrainian army is bled white, tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops have been killed or wounded, Ukraine is really on the ropes".


=> I don't really have much of a personal opinion on this guy. But proofs are here he is dangerously wrong and a clown.


Lawl.

Djunior doesn't want to hear facts, he wants to hear people paint him a narrative that aligns with his priors. And people like McGregor do that.

The quote on NATO is particularly funny. I recall people here a few years ago posting about how NATO is obsolete, there's really no point to it's existence, and now even Sweden and Finland want to join. Institutions matter, we should try to preserve them.

This post was edited by IceMage on Mar 5 2023 02:18pm
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