from everything ive read these alleged activities are in dispute. she hasnt been convicted of any activity in connection to drugs. im not exactly gonna take the cops' word here. transcripts, ok i can take those with a grain of salt, observation tho i no longer take as anywhere near fact.


in any case i think your stance is a bit suprising. at its core we have a law abiding citizen who is a legal gun owner, responding to what he believes is a break-in, but is actually cops serving a warrant you disagree should even be legal, based on presumed criminal behavior linked to drugs (iirc you're not exactly pro war on drug prohibition), where she and he have not been proven to have done anything illegal, and are met with overwhelming state issued violence. one dies.

and on the other side you call the guy a criminal, accept passively her suspected guilt by association, etc. it seems to me you're not able to unlink the protests from the situation. and i also think cop hater cam of 2009 or so would be FUMING on behalf of k walker and b taylor, but thats just a guess.

yes its possible they were wrong about some of the details and/or acted improperly.
But the ties clearly go well beyond 'she once dated a drug dealer'



I have already retracted the 'criminal' descriptor from K Walker and its wholly unimportant to my points.

The fact that I have a very nuanced opinion is indicative of a sober analysis of the facts and valuing the truth.
It would be easy to fly off the handle and assume the cops are unmitigated bad guys in every situation, who murdered a sleeping black woman because they are racist or something.
Santara made a number of claims that were objectively false and I corrected him.
I am not the type of person to go along with falsehoods just because its convenient to a narrative.
I think its important to be honest and factually correct.

On the contrary I do unlink the merit of the riots from the situation and have stated so numerous times.
I am not here to vouch for the police, to say they did nothing wrong, or to claim their practices are great and don't need reform.
I do think they need very serious reform and am open to some pretty radical ideas.

I have explicitly stated that even if police were grossly in the wrong, which they are in many cases, it doesn't justify victimizing innocent people and destroying property, particularly in the pursuit of anti-capitalist and race hustling ulterior motives and goals.
I have not endorsed rioting and looting random businesses and attacking and murdering innocent people at any point and will not do so.
Victimizing innocent people is very clearly morally wrong and goes against core libertarian principles.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Sep 24 2020 01:49pm

if the warrant was illegally obtained, because the signing judge was misled to believe cooperation with the postal service was present (it wasnt), this is a pretty simple violation of the 4th amendment search and seizure.

i think we both disagree with no-knock warrants for the same reason, violation of 4A. and to my eyes, wrong house, announce, knock, even self defense claims are all irrelevant if a 4A violation happened in the warrant process. even if there was legitimate evidence mixed in with the postal lie to my eyes this is still a constitutional violation.

>1970, and sad to say, but not too much has changed since then.

This is simply in denial of the available historical evidence.

Agreed.

Do u agree a 4th amendment violation, via the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine, supersede all other factual disagreements in this case? and further do u agree that lying about corroboration of the postal service constitutes a 4A violation?

Its possible the police acted improperly and lied and that it could be a 4th Amendment violation.

No it doesn't supersede all disagreements. He was still objectively wrong regardless of a separate claim of lying.

All irrelevant to everything I said.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Sep 24 2020 02:41pm

Disagreement factually, sure. But legally some cop should be charged if there is a 4a violation.

https://cwbchicago.com/2020/09/census-cowboy-horse-may-need-to-be-euthanized-following-7-mile-protest-run-prosecutors-say.html

https://news.wttw.com/2020/09/23/prosecutors-horse-ridden-dreadhead-cowboy-dan-ryan-may-not-survive

peaceful protester in chicago managed to destroy a horse’s well-being in the name of peaceful protesting

i keep hearing about this.... what is the deal?

some loser non-cowboy volunteered to help promote the census in chicago? or does the city have more to do with it than that? Why the fuck would the horse be missing shoes