Isn't pulmonary edema and congestion with fluids completely normal in a heart attack and thus just more evidence of the prognosis of cardiopulmonary arrest given by the ME, not exclusive to asphyxia?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK544260/



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulmonary_edema



Petechiae is a sign of strangulation or asphyxia because it requires a massive overpressure spike in the veins to burst the capillaries, so afaik its not normal in heart attacks. Particularly when its exclusive to the head, because that shows a pressure spike above the neck but not in the rest of the body, from having circulation cut off at the neck by someone strangling you.
And as your link says;


The most compelling evidence of asphyxia or strangulation is usually abrasions, compression or bruising on the neck from the pressure needed to murder someone.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jun 12 2020 05:43am

Let's just drop all the semantics, if I held a guy down while he begged for help, had a medical issue and died whilst actively preventing any attempt to render aid, would or would not a police officer arrest me, and would the charge be murder?
I posit yes to both.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Jun 12 2020 05:48am

The cop on his neck is not the cause of death --Deplorables who think an 85ish year old man has to be an antifa plant and racism is over.

This thread shows THEY WILL LITERALLY SAY ANYTHING.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jun 12 2020 05:56am

If you had the legal authority to restrain him during a lawful arrest and the first thing you did was call EMTs to the scene and two minutes later you called them again to upgrade it to a medical emergency to get them to render aid (arriving 3 minutes later)
then no, you wouldn't be charged with murder

That's why it said the indications were non-specific.

https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/nonspecific

"2. not directed against a particular agent, but rather having a general effect."

The congestion can be an effect of a heart attack and it can be an effect of having your thorax compressed.



I'm not contending that the asphyxia was related to the neck hold, I'm contending that it's related to thoracic compression. I posted earlier in the thread (addressed to you specifically) that emergency use of manual restraint was likely the cause of death.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=83134458&f=119&p=558613923#p558613923

The only way to know for sure is to actually be in the trial and find out the motives / play by play because the autopsy leaves both options open. Everyone with definitive conclusions is bullshitting you.

Agreed. The blatant violence and abuse of power, the lack of any accountability unless in the most extraordinary circumstances (bystanders taking a video of the cop literally murdering someone in plain daylight), the lack of moderation in their response to peaceful protesters or journalists - the events of the past two weeks have made it abundantly clear that there is something fundamentally broken about the American police.

Now, I do not buy into the narrative that the police is chock-full of racist bigots or that it more generally consists of nothing but bad apples. I also remain very sceptical toward the BLM movement, I keep insisting on peaceful protests and condemn violence. And I do not support pushes to abolish the police or gut it to the point of dysfunctionality. But nonetheless, there is a need for huge, sweeping, fundamental reform. This shit cannot be allowed to continue. There needs to be true oversight and accountability, the police force must be purged of the "bad apples". By far not all cops are bastards or pigs, but too many are. And those need to be put in their place asap.

Yeah, all the PaRD experts are probably right. It couldn't possibly have been the "far over the lethal does" of Fentanyl, which IS 100X stronger than normal opiates like morphine and heroin, which by the way, do cause respiratory failure in case of overdose.

As for the rest of the ME's report. I think I'm gonna agree with the ME on this one. I HAD a 100% blocked right coronary artery, which caused Me to have a heart attack October 2018, and no one even had to kneel on MY neck.

Floyd had left coronary artery 75% blocked and right coronary artery 90% blocked.



Btw, this is how you FIX a blocked right coronary artery... this is exactly what they did to me. They also put two stents in as well. Stuff they just can't do on the scene or even in an ambulance.









/e In my case they put a catheter in my right wrist and inserted the tool you see in the video through that catheter, and snaked it up the veins in my right arm... all the way to my heart.

/ee Btw... guess what they used to make it painless? That's right... Fentanyl. Point being, Floyd could have been having a heart attack and he wouldn't even have noticed. The ONLY reason OI noticed that I was having a heart attack, was because I wasn't whacked out on Fentanyl.



/eee How I knew I was having a heart attack...

Both right and left arms ached with a vengeance. I wanted to rip them off my body. Also I was wearing a 1/4" thick bathrobe and I sweat so much that I soaked completely through the bathrobe in about 2-3 minutes.
That's when I called 911.






/edit here is the original post I made the day after I got out of the hospital....


https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=71143092&f=188&o=11725 <--- post 11735 to 11755

This post was edited by Ghot on Jun 12 2020 08:39am

In France we have a "ghost" story with some young guy who is suspected to have been killed by the police but yet his family is more like gangsters trying to get €€ with donations. I means it's real: they are using and abusing laws in their favor to alterate reality and spread chaos.
For a long time i strongly sided with the "victim", but now i'm so far from it after some deeper reading fron various serious sources.


This can't be compared with US and this incredible knee-kill video, but still; Always check 2 times sources and statements. Such a sad "social medias" era.
Maybe US cops issue is the same than religion or healthcare, it's business, performance ? Or maybe it's too much "localized" ?
I don't know exactly how it works but i can say that here police has no report to do to mayors, it's all a 1 disctinct entity, independant financially and politically, at national level.

He had been unconscious 5 full minutes before that call was made..