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Jun 8 2022 03:57am
Quote (Norlander @ 8 Jun 2022 10:45)
I really doubt that someone would send used washing machines or toilets to a place thousands kilometers away.You can find one in the nearest garbage. I'd say they steal jewelry, notebooks and computer parts while the rest is being stolen by local marauders.


Toilet no, but for washing machine its not impossible, here in Poland people order their coal from the mine to be delivered by a national post, lol.
Single delivery is max 2 tonnes of coal, so if somebody needs 4 tonnes he needs to place two orders.
People do that.
Its not like Ukraine is super rich, and the best loot is for officers and leaders, while common soldiers need to satisfy with things like clothes, children toys, pans - that kind of things.
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Quote (thundercock @ 8 Jun 2022 01:25)
If Russia invaded Poland, I don't think the Germans would send help. When we asked you for help after 9/11

That's because your country was not at an actual military threat and because the war in Afghanistan was a bad idea from the get go. Germany sent some token forces to AFG, but our heart was never in it.... and rightfully so!!!
Similar story with the war in Iraq - Germany was not alone in its refusal, half your allies outright refused allegiance. In the end, the "coalition of the unwilling" was right; the Iraq war was a costly disaster and the evidence your country's leadership presented to convince the rest of the world of their ill-conceived war turned out to be entirely fabricated and nothing but lies.


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At the end of the day, your country's fighting days are over and you're not capable of mounting a defense. Americans ARE thankful for your hospitals though! They saved a lot of lives!

Somehow I doubt that the rest of the world would be too keen for Germany to declare "our fighting days have begun anew". ;)


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I don't see the Russians going through Poland. They'll bypass them, go through Hungary (invited), and then hit you in Bavaria through Austria. Meanwhile, the Russian Navy would lay siege to Hamburg. The real question is if you'll fall faster than Kabul did!

Nice fairy tale. Just fyi: Hamburg is 70 kilometers inland, connected to the actual sea by a not-that-broad river. A navy sailing up toward Hamburg would be a sitting duck - a single one of our Panzerhaubitze 2000 heavy artillery could sink an entire navy from 50km away while they try to approach the city. You might be stuck in 1814-era thinking when the British seized Washington D.C. and set the Capitol on fire...

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Quote (Ironfister @ 8 Jun 2022 12:57)
Toilet no, but for washing machine its not impossible, here in Poland people order their coal from the mine to be delivered by a national post, lol.
Single delivery is max 2 tonnes of coal, so if somebody needs 4 tonnes he needs to place two orders.
People do that.
Its not like Ukraine is super rich, and the best loot is for officers and leaders, while common soldiers need to satisfy with things like clothes, children toys, pans - that kind of things.


Yea, when an officer loots jewelry and notebooks and you have nothing left but washing machine then yes. But toilets.. the nearest garbage is filled with these not to mention it's racially wrong to sit on a toilet after Ukrainian
so it's better just shit right on the table :D /joke

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Quote (Ironfister @ Jun 8 2022 07:43am)
since they attacked Ukraine, 2nd biggest army in Europe, in a full-scale invasion, what really stops them from going forward to more countries?
Its just the next logical step on their way to rebuild Soviet Empire.
NATO is some help of course, but nobody will send Nukes to save Central Europe, and probably most countries wont send soldiers either.
Some will be looking for excuses, saying "oh yeah, we will send soldiers, just not right now, we arent ready yet" and will keep on hold for months like Germans on Ukraine supplies.
And Putin knows that, he smells weakness and uses it.
Remember central Europe was under Russian occupation some time ago, they already were here occupying this area in the past and want it back.


The notion of Russia's march to take over Europe. Ukraine today, Finland, Germany, France tomorrow - This is not logical at all. Russia accepted Polands positions, the Nato position, a long time ago. However FOR YEARS Russia stated that they would NOT ACCEPT or countenance a change in position of Ukraine. Angela Merkel was right, it was too soon in 2008 to enable / allow Ukraine into Nato. America enabled Ukraine for the last 8 years, they have not acted for the immediate interests of the Ukrainian people - they are literally funding a war of attrition of their own making.

In the politest of terms, I completely disagree with your narrative of (a) Russia wants to invade western europe (b) western europe will provide nukes to ukraine (c) we will send armies into ukraine (d) Putin "smells weakness". You give out to germany because they didnt want to escalate things this far. you applaud america because they wanted to escalate it this far.

in my opinion:

1. Russia will not invade Finland
2. If Russia invaded Finland (Russia has ALREADY SUGGESTED THEY WONT DO THIS) Finland would be better able to defend themselves then most countries on the planet, and no way would europe not take action (military in defense of Finland).
3. Russia will not invade Poland, unless they wanted to start WW3 (hint: they dont want to start WW3). Similarly they will not invade any Nato country unless said country carried out an act of war first. Anyone that thinks that Nato would not defend another Nato country does not understand how the world works. If Nato did not defend one of their own it would undermine Nato / the Eu FOREVER. They MUST defend another Nato member being attacked. Thats my view.

Look at the Northern ireland protocol. England wants to make its own rules while Ireland is saying NO. The EU has no option but to side with Ireland as to break international law would undermine the EU forever. England does not get that, therefore if that crowd cant get it what hope for someone in Poland not to get that Nato MUST AND WILL always defend another nato member.

Russia hates the west right now. if Putin is removed there is no reason not to expect someone worse.

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Russia calls for revoking recognition of Lithuania's independence.

The corresponding bill was submitted to the State Duma by Yevgeny Fedorov, a deputy from the United Russia party, according to Russian media.


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Quote (ferdia @ Jun 8 2022 01:39pm)
The notion of Russia's march to take over Europe. Ukraine today, Finland, Germany, France tomorrow - This is not logical at all. Russia accepted Polands positions, the Nato position, a long time ago. However FOR YEARS Russia stated that they would NOT ACCEPT or countenance a change in position of Ukraine. Angela Merkel was right, it was too soon in 2008 to enable / allow Ukraine into Nato. America enabled Ukraine for the last 8 years, they have not acted for the immediate interests of the Ukrainian people - they are literally funding a war of attrition of their own making.

In the politest of terms, I completely disagree with your narrative of (a) Russia wants to invade western europe (b) western europe will provide nukes to ukraine (c) we will send armies into ukraine (d) Putin "smells weakness". You give out to germany because they didnt want to escalate things this far. you applaud america because they wanted to escalate it this far.

in my opinion:

1. Russia will not invade Finland
2. If Russia invaded Finland (Russia has ALREADY SUGGESTED THEY WONT DO THIS) Finland would be better able to defend themselves then most countries on the planet, and no way would europe not take action (military in defense of Finland).
3. Russia will not invade Poland, unless they wanted to start WW3 (hint: they dont want to start WW3). Similarly they will not invade any Nato country unless said country carried out an act of war first. Anyone that thinks that Nato would not defend another Nato country does not understand how the world works. If Nato did not defend one of their own it would undermine Nato / the Eu FOREVER. They MUST defend another Nato member being attacked. Thats my view.

Look at the Northern ireland protocol. England wants to make its own rules while Ireland is saying NO. The EU has no option but to side with Ireland as to break international law would undermine the EU forever. England does not get that, therefore if that crowd cant get it what hope for someone in Poland not to get that Nato MUST AND WILL always defend another nato member.

Russia hates the west right now. if Putin is removed there is no reason not to expect someone worse.


Thats just theory crafting at best, it will be Baltics where Russia will strike.
Its obvious. Theres enough ethnic russians there to sell invasion of Baltic states as liberation of said russians.

Russia won't strike where they don't have sizable ethnic russian presence, Poland/Germany where never part of the USSR the way Ukraine/Baltics were.

This post was edited by Lvivz on Jun 8 2022 06:59am
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Quote (Lvivz @ 8 Jun 2022 12:30)
Russia calls for revoking recognition of Lithuania's independence.

The corresponding bill was submitted to the State Duma by Yevgeny Fedorov, a deputy from the United Russia party, according to Russian media.


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Thats just theory crafting at best, it will be Baltics where Russia will strike.
Its obvious. Theres enough ethnic russians there to sell invasion of Baltic states as liberation of said russians.

Russia won't strike where they don't have sizable ethnic russian presence, Poland/Germany where never part of the USSR the way Ukraine/Baltics where.


You have a good, detailed, map of russian language prevalence in western europe ?
If Russia starts to invade others countries this completely break everything said since the start, or it means Nazi are everywhere...
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Quote (ferdia @ 8 Jun 2022 12:39)
The notion of Russia's march to take over Europe. Ukraine today, Finland, Germany, France tomorrow - This is not logical at all. Russia accepted Polands positions, the Nato position, a long time ago. However FOR YEARS Russia stated that they would NOT ACCEPT or countenance a change in position of Ukraine. Angela Merkel was right, it was too soon in 2008 to enable / allow Ukraine into Nato. America enabled Ukraine for the last 8 years, they have not acted for the immediate interests of the Ukrainian people - they are literally funding a war of attrition of their own making.

In the politest of terms, I completely disagree with your narrative of (a) Russia wants to invade western europe (b) western europe will provide nukes to ukraine (c) we will send armies into ukraine (d) Putin "smells weakness". You give out to germany because they didnt want to escalate things this far. you applaud america because they wanted to escalate it this far.

in my opinion:

1. Russia will not invade Finland
2. If Russia invaded Finland (Russia has ALREADY SUGGESTED THEY WONT DO THIS) Finland would be better able to defend themselves then most countries on the planet, and no way would europe not take action (military in defense of Finland).
3. Russia will not invade Poland, unless they wanted to start WW3 (hint: they dont want to start WW3). Similarly they will not invade any Nato country unless said country carried out an act of war first. Anyone that thinks that Nato would not defend another Nato country does not understand how the world works. If Nato did not defend one of their own it would undermine Nato / the Eu FOREVER. They MUST defend another Nato member being attacked. Thats my view.

Look at the Northern ireland protocol. England wants to make its own rules while Ireland is saying NO. The EU has no option but to side with Ireland as to break international law would undermine the EU forever. England does not get that, therefore if that crowd cant get it what hope for someone in Poland not to get that Nato MUST AND WILL always defend another nato member.

Russia hates the west right now. if Putin is removed there is no reason not to expect someone worse.


What happens when NATO fails to defend their eastern members?
I tell you, nothing really. Countries like Germany have always been breaking NATO rules, like about insufficient army funding. They will simply break one more rule, by saying that they cant help now but they surely keep their fingers crossed.
They will find some excuses, like Russian minority in Estonia, or rigid antiabortion rules in Poland, or say Polish were rusophobic as some people here are saying to me sometimes.
If there is a will, there is a way my friend.
These western countries have already failed their alliances in 1939, nothing happened back then, nowadays people arent different.
Now Germans week 1 say: "we gonna send artillery to Ukraine"
Then next week they say: "we cant send artillery there as it wouldnt please Vladimir Putin". And its like this all the time this spring. They say, then they withdrawn.
Can they make themselves even more compromited?

Most of the Russians want war to stop imo. At least those living in cities. I know there are some phone queries that said Russian support for invasion is like 75%, but my friend, when in autoritarian country such as Russia someone calls you and asks if you support your leader politics, it takes a lot of courage (or stupidity) to say: "I dont".

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Quote (chopstickz777 @ Jun 7 2022 01:37pm)
there is nothing liberal, free world or democratic about the illegitimate US-installed regime in Ukraine, lol.

Imagine how delusional you have to be to consider a bunch of criminal murderer and rapist scum to be "liberal", or "free world", lmfao


Fucking liar lies. Nothing new here.

Elections in 2019 were free and fair, you fucking fascist.
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Quote (Santara @ Jun 8 2022 07:22am)
Fucking liar lies. Nothing new here.

Elections in 2019 were free and fair, you fucking fascist.


The crimes of Azov, Right Sector, Kraken, Pravi sektor, etc, are well documented.

You ignore them because it's inconvenient for your blatantly hypocritical Russophobic belief system.
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