to be exact I said that Russia can take Germany, and Lvivz said that they dont take Germany as they like to trade with them. So not whole Europe, at least not at once.
5:1 ratio means pretty much the same given that Russians are like 5-10 times more poorer than Europeans. Here in Poland soldiers get some priviliges like early retirement, free home etc, Im not sure how many of them are really warriors or just wanted priviliges.
And as was already told, Europeans dont really work together so you cant just add it.

I guess because Crimea still wasn't connected to Russia but to Ukraine. Which is why the Russians are determined to take all of Donbass.

The Russian speaking minorities are simply used by Russia but it's not really about them. It's all about securing Crimea and creating a land-bridge and as much buffer as possible.

That's my 2 cents there anyways

EU is not a united entity, its very much an economic bloc, thats it.
How would you organize 500k soldiers from 20+ different countries to work coherently in one united front vs russia? Its impossible, not to mention lots of those " professional forces" are expeditionary forces not fit/trained to fight in full scale positional warfare.

Russia will not move towards Germany or even Poland probably Putin wants his triumph against NATO to occur in the Baltics, and those 500k professional soldiers Europe has even if all organized will not go and fight russian orcs in the Baltics and risk nuclear confrontation.

It might happen after Ukraine, or after Kazakhstan (given how it slowly is wiggling out of typical central Asian dictatorship style country thus weakening Putins control)

But the fact is russia is trying to reabsorb the states USSR lost, either willingly as in case of Belarus/Armenia or by force, and Baltics just present a platform where NATO and its amendments will be shown to the world as empty-promises.

This post was edited by Lvivz on Jun 7 2022 04:56pm

at this point we know that poland alone could stop russia, if europe is united or not doesnt even matter

of course germany for example has not much to send to the front lines, but just lending our industrial output to poland + baltics for example would already be game over for russia

they are just not as good as people thought they were

I think we can both agree that the German military is a joke and Russia would easily waltz into your country. How much experience do your soldiers even have? It's not like you're battle-tested like Americans, Ukrainians, Brits, etc. You guys can't even be bothered to put a jacket on indoors because you're so addicted to Russian gas. What makes you think that you can stand up to the might of the Russian military when you start witnessing their war crimes first hand? The general consensus among military leaders is that your government and people will fold like a slice of NY pizza. Ironically, it would be France who holds the line.

Their tanks would run out of fuel or fall apart before reaching the German border, lmao!

And I agree with Johnny, it is actually Poland that would hold the line. They are less pussified, their have far more national pride and the entire country is filled with rampant Russophobia. The Polish would fight just as hard as the Ukrainians, except that they have much more of the modern NATO equipment at their disposal. Also, if Russia actually tried to invade Poland (and it neither led to all-out nuclear war nor to a huge deployment of US troops to Europe), then Germany, France, the UK and all the other European countries would definitely wake up and send their militaries to the front to support the Polish - for the simple reason that France/Germany et al. would want the fighting and devastation to occur on someone else's territory.

Based on how the current fighting has gone, I would expect to see the Russians drive out of Poland within a few months. I'm not even sure they could take the Baltic states.

If Russia invaded Poland, I don't think the Germans would send help. When we asked you for help after 9/11, you didn't provide much in terms of actual combat. ~60 German soldiers were killed whereas over 150 Canadian soldiers were killed and you sent roughly 4x more troops than they did. At the end of the day, your country's fighting days are over and you're not capable of mounting a defense. Americans ARE thankful for your hospitals though! They saved a lot of lives!

I don't see the Russians going through Poland. They'll bypass them, go through Hungary (invited), and then hit you in Bavaria through Austria. Meanwhile, the Russian Navy would lay siege to Hamburg. The real question is if you'll fall faster than Kabul did!

my two cents for the day: Russia would not be able to beat Finland any time soon in a conventional war, and its fantasy to even dream of Russia invading Poland or Germany, but carry on.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 7 2022 05:41pm

It bemuse me that people would think that Russia will invade any of the countries you stated above.