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Jun 7 2022 04:26pm
Quote (Djunior @ Jun 8 2022 01:22am)
Those nations are already NATO members. My question in my above post is why would Russia want to invade NATO countries (they don't because they can't, not even talking about the possibility of nuclear war which would spell disaster for all involved)

That video claiming Russia would simply take NATO countries is ludicrous. It's simply not on.


Because Baltic states banned russian language in schools, not giving russian ethnic populations official citizenships, now they turned off all russian media, etc they are what russia calls dehumanizing rights of very sizable ethnic russian minority.
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Jun 7 2022 04:31pm
Quote (Ironfister @ Jun 8 2022 12:26am)
Russia is currently desperately low on their population. They can like triple, quadruple their population and therefore power by attacking Europe.


lolwut

So they're desperately low on people therefore should attack Western EU cuz there's tons more people -and tons more military and nukes???

You're talking nonsense.


Quote (Lvivz @ Jun 8 2022 12:26am)
Because Baltic states banned russian language in schools, not giving russian ethnic populations official citizenships, now they turned off all russian media, etc they are what russia calls dehumanizing rights of very sizable ethnic russian minority.


Yes I saw that but they're already NATO members while Ukraine is not.
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Jun 7 2022 04:33pm
Quote (Djunior @ Jun 8 2022 01:22am)
Those nations are already NATO members. My question in my above post is why would Russia want to invade NATO countries (they don't because they can't, not even talking about the possibility of nuclear war which would spell disaster for all involved)

That video claiming Russia would simply take NATO countries is ludicrous. It's simply not on.


Idea that Russia would be invading sovereign nation, which was protected by the Budapest memorandum thus (USA/China/France/GB) and trying to take over that country was ludicrous in 2013 as well.
Its just a next logical point in russian foreign policy - to raise the stakes even higher and shatter NATOs reputation by invasion of Baltic states. The blueprint of steering up reasoning for said needed "special operation" is already laid out in Ukraine, just will need some modifications.
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Jun 7 2022 04:38pm


Yes, a dollar spent in Russia goes further than a dollar spent in the UK or Germany, but a 5:1 ratio in defense spending between Europe and Russia is still huge.

It still baffles my mind how you guys claim that Russia could conquer the whole continent after what we have witnessed in Ukraine the past few months. They have been waging war against a smaller country and in 3.5 months, they have managed to conquer less than 10% of their victim's territory. (Russia currently controls slightly over 20% of Ukraine's territory, but most of that was already held by Russia before the outbreak of the war.) Yet you guys pretend like they could waltz into Europe and just casually take over 100 times more territory in the blink of an eye while the over 500k professional soldiers of the European countries sit idly by with their thumbs up their ass.
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Jun 7 2022 04:38pm
Quote (Djunior @ 8 Jun 2022 00:31)
lolwut

So they're desperately low on people therefore should attack Western EU cuz there's tons more people -and tons more military and nukes???

You're talking nonsense.

EU is tons of people, but not really tons of military, and only very few countries have nukes and they wont use them unless in their OWN self defense.
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Yes I saw that but they're already NATO members while Ukraine is not.

Already said in my other post that NATO is a soft agreement, that countries will assist each other. Putin considers NATO a bluff, an alliance that doesnt really exist much.
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Jun 7 2022 04:39pm
Quote (Djunior @ Jun 8 2022 01:31am)
lolwut

So they're desperately low on people therefore should attack Western EU cuz there's tons more people -and tons more military and nukes???

You're talking nonsense.




Yes I saw that but they're already NATO members while Ukraine is not.


Thats the point, those are 3 NATO countries that Putin knows full well are overextended appendixs of the NATO, that very few Nato countries if any would risk going nuclear over, that would fall in a matter of days in an event of Russian invasion
- They are right on Russian borders (which means even if GB/USA reacted they would need time to get their forces there and by that time russia would control those states)
- They have no military and 10-15k NATO troops would do little to deter such invasion taking place
- This would be the very chance for Putin (who is dying in the next 10 years) to shatter NATO unity/reputation and maybe even the alliance itself depending on how other NATO states would react after - the very alliance he has been an opponent of, his entire life.

This post was edited by Lvivz on Jun 7 2022 04:39pm
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Quote (Lvivz @ Jun 8 2022 12:33am)
Idea that Russia would be invading sovereign nation, which was protected by the Budapest memorandum thus (USA/China/France/GB) and trying to take over that country was ludicrous in 2013 as well.
Its just a next logical point in russian foreign policy - to raise the stakes even higher and shatter NATOs reputation by invasion of Baltic states. The blueprint of steering up reasoning for said needed "special operation" is already laid out in Ukraine, just will need some modifications.


Russia was never going to give up Crimea, we both know why --> Sevastopol

This has nothing to do with countries that are already NATO members. Crimea isn't located in any of those countries, it's located in Ukraine.
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Jun 7 2022 04:40pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 7 2022 06:38pm)
https://assets.weforum.org/editor/large_5cKcLHKAQb2J9RigoqzyZzpdj561u2YkhgMT0L72ni4.jpg

Yes, a dollar spent in Russia goes further than a dollar spent in the UK or Germany, but a 5:1 ratio in defense spending between Europe and Russia is still huge.

It still baffles my mind how you guys claim that Russia could conquer the whole continent after what we have witnessed in Ukraine the past few months. They have been waging war against a smaller country and in 3.5 months, they have managed to conquer less than 10% of their victim's territory. (Russia currently controls slightly over 20% of Ukraine's territory, but most of that was already held by Russia before the outbreak of the war.) Yet you guys pretend like they could waltz into Europe and just casually take over 100 times more territory in the blink of an eye while the over 500k professional soldiers of the European countries sit idly by with their thumbs up their ass.


Emphasis on professional soldiers.
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Jun 7 2022 04:43pm
Quote (Djunior @ Jun 8 2022 01:39am)
Russia was never going to give up Crimea, we both know why --> Sevastopol

This has nothing to do with countries that are already NATO members. Crimea isn't located in any of those countries, it's located in Ukraine.


Ok Russia took over Crimea, Ukraine was willing to officially declare Crimea russian during peace talks. 8 years of positional warfare in the east, what was all that about then?
Nope russia decided to continue their invasion in the east, now laying out plans for a fake 230% yes referendum in the Kherson to create another banana republic and possibly absorb dnr/lnr banana republics.
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Jun 7 2022 04:44pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 8 2022 12:38am)
https://assets.weforum.org/editor/large_5cKcLHKAQb2J9RigoqzyZzpdj561u2YkhgMT0L72ni4.jpg

Yes, a dollar spent in Russia goes further than a dollar spent in the UK or Germany, but a 5:1 ratio in defense spending between Europe and Russia is still huge.

It still baffles my mind how you guys claim that Russia could conquer the whole continent after what we have witnessed in Ukraine the past few months. They have been waging war against a smaller country and in 3.5 months, they have managed to conquer less than 10% of their victim's territory. (Russia currently controls slightly over 20% of Ukraine's territory, but most of that was already held by Russia before the outbreak of the war.) Yet you guys pretend like they could waltz into Europe and just casually take over 100 times more territory in the blink of an eye while the over 500k professional soldiers of the European countries sit idly by with their thumbs up their ass.


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