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Dec 21 2021 01:34am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 20 2021 11:22pm)
Klobuchar is one of the few politicians who has even less charisma than Hillary, plus a much lower profile. Raimondo is a nobody. Whitmer and Newsom are very controversial, polarizing figures, also, there's a decent chance Whitmer loses her reelection bid next year. Buttigieg is completely unappealing to black and hispanic voters and the DNC knows it. Booker might be a better choice than Hillary, I'll give you that.

Note that I am not saying Hillary is particularly likely to run, let alone win the nomination.



On a more general note, the Dem field seems kinda weak to me. They basically put all their eggs in the Harris basket, betting that she would be a suitable heir apparent, only to realize that she's completely unpalatable to the wider public and would be one of the few persons Trump could defeat in 2024.


You know who else is controversial and polarizing? Donald Trump. Ron DeSantis. Chris Christie. I don't think that disqualifies you from winning the primary or even winning the general election.

Mitt Romney was a nobody in 2008 and he ended up finishing strong which allowed him to run in 2012. Who was Bill Clinton in 1992? Who was Barack Obama in 2008? Primaries often surprise you.

Weakness is relative. We're certainly not going to find the next Obama but there are plenty of candidates on both sides who are more than capable of winning the Presidency.
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Dec 21 2021 02:33am
Quote (thundercock @ 21 Dec 2021 08:34)
You know who else is controversial and polarizing? Donald Trump. Ron DeSantis. Chris Christie. I don't think that disqualifies you from winning the primary or even winning the general election.

Mitt Romney was a nobody in 2008 and he ended up finishing strong which allowed him to run in 2012. Who was Bill Clinton in 1992? Who was Barack Obama in 2008? Primaries often surprise you.

Weakness is relative. We're certainly not going to find the next Obama but there are plenty of candidates on both sides who are more than capable of winning the Presidency.


Trump is loathed by half the country, but he's also beloved by (almost) half the country. Does the Democratic base feel the same way about Harris? Judging by her anemic performance in the 2020 primaries, the answer is an emphatic no.

Bill Clinton and Obama were generational political talents, none of the Dems you just listed comes even close to them. Also, Obama was not a nobody in 2007/8. After his speech at the 2004 DNC convention, he was already on the radar of most politicos. Many people were saying even back in 2004 that this is the guy who will be the first black president. People didn't think his time would already come in 2008, that he would be able to edge out Hillary and her entrenched establishment support, but pretty much everyone who was paying attention knew that his time would eventually come.


You are of course right that primaries are often surprising and that reasonably strong candidates might emerge which are not on our radar yet. Still, there is absolutely no guarantee for that and if I were the DNC, I'd be extremely worried. They do not want to go into 2024 with their only options being the proposition of giving presidential years 5-8 to a guy who already looked too old for this shit less than one year into it, or to a woman whose favorability ratings are so catastrophic that they rival those of GWB after he dragged the country into a disastrous war based on brazen lies, bungled natural disasters and oversaw the worst econmic meltdown of our lifetimes. I would definitely not want these to be my two best options, but what do I know...

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 21 2021 01:22am)
Klobuchar is one of the few politicians who has even less charisma than Hillary, plus a much lower profile. Raimondo is a nobody. Whitmer and Newsom are very controversial, polarizing figures, also, there's a decent chance Whitmer loses her reelection bid next year. Buttigieg is completely unappealing to black and hispanic voters and the DNC knows it. Booker might be a better choice than Hillary, I'll give you that.

Note that I am not saying Hillary is particularly likely to run, let alone win the nomination.



On a more general note, the Dem field seems kinda weak to me. They basically put all their eggs in the Harris basket, betting that she would be a suitable heir apparent, only to realize that she's completely unpalatable to the wider public and would be one of the few persons Trump could defeat in 2024.


I've watched Klobuchar for a long time. I can guarantee you she's unlike Hillary in the charisma and presentation departments. She can actually pull off the folksy appearance and tell her stories without sounding like a canned speech by a soulless ghoul, so she's already passed that bar, but I was at her debates back in 2006 at the state fair and she dropped her folksiness for a whipsmart attack, reminds me of how Ted Cruz played his cowboy bit when he's actually a genius, albeit an unlikeable one who completely lacks originality.

Klobuchars issues are 1) that she's a milquetoast non-entity, by design, the 'senator of small things' who specializes in renaming post offices, passing swimming pool safety standards for children and funding training for truck drivers to recognize human trafficking and 2) she got stabbed in the back by BLM activists to prop up other primary candidates last election and that will haunt any further bid attempts. They actually set free a child murderer and serial gunman that she was lauded for putting behind bars in the first place, set free by keith ellison and walz because he's black yo. So yeah, that's her election prospects gone. She actually got roasted because she's the one democrat on the stage who put child murderers behind bars instead of setting them free, and democrats want to elect the people who set them free
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Dec 21 2021 04:26am
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Dec 20 2021 10:10pm)
God damn you're retarded. Dick pics? Are you joking?

There was VIDEO FOOTAGE of Hunter smoking crack while having threesomes with prostitutes.

Can you imagine the outcry and the outrage if that had been TRUMP's son?

We would never hear the end of it.

God damn I'm so sick of the shameless hypocrisy.


Smoking crack and governing the US doesn't exclude each other.
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Dec 31 2021 03:00pm
looks like clown leftie frauds gona make another run at it
The Left's Jan 6th Obsession Is Turning Into Some Weirder New Progressive Holiday
https://www.bitchute.com/video/gqS2o4kA73G0/
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Jan 6 2022 09:27am
anniversary of leftie fraud day is here. wonder what kind of lies and horsechit gona be spreading around today via the fake news
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Jan 6 2022 03:49pm
https://www.wsj.com/articles/republicans-jan-6-responsibility-anniversary-riot-storm-capitol-trump-protesters-investigation-11641417707


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My criticisms are often aimed at Democrats; on the anniversary of Jan. 6, I’m addressing squarely those Republicans who for a year have excused the actions of the rioters who stormed the Capitol, disrupted Congress as it received the Electoral College’s results, and violently attempted to overturn the election.

These apologists say those who stormed the Capitol were innocent patriots, tourists visiting the seat of the national government to petition their elected representatives peacefully. We’re told that these harmless, ordinary Americans are being persecuted as political prisoners.

Let’s stipulate that while the thousands who went to the Capitol a year ago were wrong to insist the election was stolen, most weren’t violent as they exercised their First Amendment rights to gather peacefully on the Mall—just as I had seen liberals gather to protest both inaugurations of President George W. Bush.

But last year there were several thousand protesters willing to use force to disrupt Congress in its constitutional duty to receive and certify the electoral vote. Some went to Washington with that purpose in mind. Others were swept up in the moment’s savagery, led astray by stronger wills with dangerous motives.

The leaders of this group were intent on committing violence, some having planned to do so for weeks. Many wore tactical gear. Some came armed with chemical agents, flagpoles, batons and sticks. They broke through barricades and assaulted approximately 140 police officers, in some cases with an officer’s own shield or gear. They smashed doors and windows, illegally entered the Capitol, ransacked offices and searched for leaders of Congress, and made dire threats about what would happen if they found them.

More than 725 people have been charged so far, and law enforcement is searching for hundreds more suspects who appear on video or social media, some recorded attacking police officers. At least 163 people have pleaded guilty, and 71 have been sentenced. Only one defendant’s charges have been dismissed. Many of the most serious trials have yet to be held, as lawyers prepare defenses or negotiate plea deals.
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Jan 6 2022 03:51pm
Quote (penguinhero @ Jan 6 2022 01:49pm)


did you... seriously.. just post an article authored by fucking Karl Rove?

the war criminal scumbag and unabashed zionist Karl Rove?

Are these people seriously the new heroes of the left?

LMFAO

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Jan 6 2022 03:55pm
Quote (penguinhero @ Jan 6 2022 01:49pm)


It seems that Karl Rove is saying what I've been saying for the past year in terms of the makeup of the rioters. Ultimately, we're not particularly good judges of "close calls" and we ignore the risk entirely. Once the unthinkable happens, we tend to overreact.
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Jan 6 2022 03:58pm
Two thing’s are for sure here— no one thinks Biden is a good idea to put in any debate because he may go off on a tangent about how kids at the pool used to touch the hair on his legs, or something, which precludes him from running.

Secondary to that, even the democrats don’t seem to care much for Kamala Harris.

2024 seems like a shoe-in for any Republican shmuck, to be honest, and the Democrats did it to themselves by trying to get Trump out at any cost.
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