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Quote (Lvivz @ Jun 7 2022 02:17pm)
Uncivilized russian cattle, again fighting amongthemselves, this time for free left over tulips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJFWAq6fSgo

Country of opportunities

rUSSIAN world

No analogues

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This post was edited by SunnyvaleTrailerPark on Jun 7 2022 01:02pm
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Jun 7 2022 01:09pm
Quote (Ironfister @ Jun 7 2022 08:35pm)
Propaganda yes. Censorship no.
Everybody knows that Ukrainians lost in Mariupol, nobody lies about it.
This war is a clash between liberal, free world and authoritarian regime. Like in star wars, republic vs empire.
Are you on the right side? Or just dont care about growing evil and stay neutral?


Ukraine had the option to stay neutral. They decided to cheat Russia by first stealing gas and later not paying their gas bills at all, then wanted EU trade deals and NATO membership, then came Euromaidan. We all know how this went down.

This is not a matter of me being on the right or wrong side, this is about you denying the points I made above.

I would've told Ukraine to stay friends with Russia as the two will be neighbors forever, plain and simple. And Russia was never going to give up Crimea, people that think they would give it up are clueless.
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Jun 7 2022 01:09pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ 7 Jun 2022 20:59)
Please explain to me how you think a government that killed 14,000 of its own people in Donbass, arrested and tortured thousands more with the SBU, arrested opposition figures, banned opposition TV channels, and works directly with Azov NeoNazi types is "liberal" and "free world".

Truth is, they are as authoritarian as it gets. And there are thousands of Ukrainians that can attest to this, that can attest to the brutality they faced at the hands of the criminals in Kiev, and at the hands of the nationalist volunteer battalions.


We have had this conversation multiple times, Im not going to repeat it, i think i will need to make copies of my posts and paste them anytime you paste your bullshit lies :)
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Jun 7 2022 01:16pm
Quote (Ironfister @ Jun 7 2022 03:09pm)
We have had this conversation multiple times, Im not going to repeat it, i think i will need to make copies of my posts and paste them anytime you paste your bullshit lies :)


I trust him more than people who try to point their fingers at Russia while their own countries been doing genocide in the middle east killing 6 digits + innocent people for their poppy fields/oil $
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I trust him more than people who try to point their fingers at Russia while their own countries been doing genocide in the middle east killing 6 digits + innocent people for their poppy fields/oil $

Well, dont trust him because what he says is just total bullshit and lies.
This is right that there are some interviews, where Ukraine people say their government and army were killing them, but these are forced interviews. In Russia occupied Ukraine if a wife wants to bury their husband, or buy food, they need to give interview to Russians and say that these were Ukrainians that killed him. Thats how they work and how they get their interviews. Also Russians are good at making tortures so that people dont look too much tormented on the video.
Also chopstickz is probably just paid for every post he makes here. Its easy here, since there is a postcount on d2jsp. It possibly works like this: every month or week he sends a report to his coordinator in Russia, including information how many and how long posts he written, and gets paid respectively.

About the Africa/Middle East.
The USA left Afghanistan, but Russians didnt leave Syria. Its too important for them to encircle NATO European countries to give away. But these people never say a single bad thing about Russia attrocities in Syria.
Talibans are now occupying Afghanistan with force, women are forced to stay at home, get only basic education and keep their whole body, including face, hidden from public. It was better for Afghanistan people when Americans were there protecting them from Talibans.

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Jun 7 2022 02:18pm
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Well, dont trust him because what he says is just total bullshit and lies.
This is right that there are some interviews, where Ukraine people say their government and army were killing them, but these are forced interviews. In Russia occupied Ukraine if a wife wants to bury their husband, or buy food, they need to give interview to Russians and say that these were Ukrainians that killed him. Thats how they work and how they get their interviews. Also Russians are good at making tortures so that people dont look too much tormented on the video.
Also chopstickz is probably just paid for every post he makes here. Its easy here, since there is a postcount on d2jsp. It possibly works like this: every month or week he sends a report to his coordinator in Russia, including information how many and how long posts he written, and gets paid respectively.

About the Africa/Middle East.
The USA left Afghanistan, but Russians didnt leave Syria. Its too important for them to encircle NATO European countries to give away. But these people never say a single bad thing about Russia attrocities in Syria.
Talibans are now occupying Afghanistan with force, women are forced to stay at home, get only basic education and keep their whole body, including face, hidden from public. It was better for Afghanistan people when Americans were there protecting them from Talibans.


Unfortunately it is true, but as a Pole you are just too biased to want to accept it.

That's fine. You will wake up sooner or later, but know this - the longer you refuse to see the truth, the harder it will be for you when it becomes undeniable.

On the topic of Syria, Russia has a small military presence here, and they are only there to counter the US CIA-backed terrorists, whom were sent in to try to overthrow Assad. It has nothing to do with "encircling NATO countries", that is a true conspiracy theory if I've ever heard one.

I'm sure you would cheer the Al-Qaeda scum on in Syria if they removed Assad. Much like Azov & co, they are likewise a motley crew of hardcore killers and rapists. They killed tens of thousands of civilians. They took sex slaves and sold them to buyers all over the planet. It doesn't surprise me in the least that you would align with them. You have no shame whatsoever
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Jun 7 2022 02:31pm
Not sure why this is only airing in Ireland now but:

As commented on a french site ~

Berlin (AFP) – Former German chancellor Angela Merkel on Monday defended her 2008 decision to block Ukraine from immediately joining NATO, rejecting President Volodymyr Zelensky's criticism as Russia's invasion clouds her 16-year legacy. Zelensky in a night-late address had described as a "miscalculation" a Franco-German-led decision at the NATO summit in Bucharest to not admit his country to the alliance despite a push from the United States. "I invite Ms Merkel and Mr (Nicolas) Sarkozy to visit Bucha and see what the policy of concessions to Russia has led to in 14 years," he said, referring to the alleged atrocities against Ukrainian civilians by Russian troops that world powers have described as "war crimes".

The Ukrainian president also accused the European leaders of seeking to appease Russia with their stance then. But Merkel in a short statement issued by her spokeswoman said she "stands by her decisions in relation to the 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest". "In view of the atrocities uncovered in Bucha and other places in Ukraine, all efforts by the government and the international community to stand by Ukraine's side and to bring an end to Russia's barbarism and war against Ukraine have the former chancellor's full support," added the spokeswoman. Germany had deemed it too early for Ukraine to join NATO in 2008 because it found that the political conditions were not met at that point.


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Unfortunately it is true, but as a Pole you are just too biased to want to accept it.

That's fine. You will wake up sooner or later, but know this - the longer you refuse to see the truth, the harder it will be for you when it becomes undeniable.

(...)


I have seen and witnessed enough of Russia government actions to make correct decisions. Have you?

Quote (ferdia @ 7 Jun 2022 22:31)
Not sure why this is only airing in Ireland now but:

As commented on a french site ~

Berlin (AFP) – Former German chancellor Angela Merkel on Monday defended her 2008 decision to block Ukraine from immediately joining NATO, rejecting President Volodymyr Zelensky's criticism as Russia's invasion clouds her 16-year legacy. Zelensky in a night-late address had described as a "miscalculation" a Franco-German-led decision at the NATO summit in Bucharest to not admit his country to the alliance despite a push from the United States. "I invite Ms Merkel and Mr (Nicolas) Sarkozy to visit Bucha and see what the policy of concessions to Russia has led to in 14 years," he said, referring to the alleged atrocities against Ukrainian civilians by Russian troops that world powers have described as "war crimes".

The Ukrainian president also accused the European leaders of seeking to appease Russia with their stance then. But Merkel in a short statement issued by her spokeswoman said she "stands by her decisions in relation to the 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest". "In view of the atrocities uncovered in Bucha and other places in Ukraine, all efforts by the government and the international community to stand by Ukraine's side and to bring an end to Russia's barbarism and war against Ukraine have the former chancellor's full support," added the spokeswoman. Germany had deemed it too early for Ukraine to join NATO in 2008 because it found that the political conditions were not met at that point.


I already told you some time ago that Germans, also maybe little bit French, play their own risky game. They dont seem to want Ukraine to join western world, as UA is a big country and it would mean some competition for germano-franco leadership of the Europe. A leadership they dont want to share. Especially Germans. So they would rather see Russia capture Ukraine and enslave them. Thats why they push on Ukraine to accept a cease fire that benefits Russians but not Ukrainians, and their military supplies is very few if any.
But the game they are playing is very risky.
Because Ukrainians are battle veterans who were at war for a very long time and are probably the only nation that can really stop Russian advances in Europe.
Western peoples, including soldiers, while rich, hardworking, smart etc are also too spoiled. they will most probably rather just ran away than risk their lives. A kind of repeat from 1940year, when Hitler took powerful France in only like 2 weeks blitz war campaign. Also if Russia takes over Ukraine, they will just make a mass conscription, just like they do in Donbas area now. So they will have many "soldiers" to attack further west.

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Not sure why this is only airing in Ireland now but:

As commented on a french site ~

Berlin (AFP) – Former German chancellor Angela Merkel on Monday defended her 2008 decision to block Ukraine from immediately joining NATO, rejecting President Volodymyr Zelensky's criticism as Russia's invasion clouds her 16-year legacy. Zelensky in a night-late address had described as a "miscalculation" a Franco-German-led decision at the NATO summit in Bucharest to not admit his country to the alliance despite a push from the United States. "I invite Ms Merkel and Mr (Nicolas) Sarkozy to visit Bucha and see what the policy of concessions to Russia has led to in 14 years," he said, referring to the alleged atrocities against Ukrainian civilians by Russian troops that world powers have described as "war crimes".

The Ukrainian president also accused the European leaders of seeking to appease Russia with their stance then. But Merkel in a short statement issued by her spokeswoman said she "stands by her decisions in relation to the 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest". "In view of the atrocities uncovered in Bucha and other places in Ukraine, all efforts by the government and the international community to stand by Ukraine's side and to bring an end to Russia's barbarism and war against Ukraine have the former chancellor's full support," added the spokeswoman. Germany had deemed it too early for Ukraine to join NATO in 2008 because it found that the political conditions were not met at that point.


Its not important atm thats most likely why nobody really cares.

Quote (Ironfister @ Jun 8 2022 12:16am)
I have seen and witnessed enough of Russia government actions to make correct decisions. Have you?



I already told you some time ago that Germans, also maybe little bit French, play their own risky game. They dont seem to want Ukraine to join western world, as UA is a big country and it would mean some competition for germano-franco leadership of the Europe. A leadership they dont want to share. Especially Germans. So they would rather see Russia capture Ukraine and enslave them. Thats why they push on Ukraine to accept a cease fire that benefits Russians but not Ukrainians, and their military supplies is very few if any.
But the game they are playing is very risky.
Because Ukrainians are battle veterans who were at war for a very long time and are probably the only nation that can really stop Russian advances in Europe.
Western peoples, including soldiers, while rich, hardworking, smart etc are also too spoiled. they will most probably rather just ran away than risk their lives. A kind of repeat from 1940year, when Hitler took powerful France in only like 2 weeks blitz war campaign. Also if Russia takes over Ukraine, they will just make a mass conscription, just like they do in Donbas area now. So they will have many "soldiers" to attack further west.


Not really about leadership, for example Belgium/Netherlands are tiny but has way more power in the EU than Romania/Finland
Its really about business and costs, Germany heavily relies and is largest importer of russian resources be it metals/wood/oil/gas w.e, logistics for the transfer of said resources is in place
now it has to find new sources of those resources and create new logistical paths the cost of which is quite high compared to russian alternates and getting higher as other exporters know full well that current economic climate has to be used to the fullest to pump cash into their bank accounts.
That and that german politicians shared bed with putins mafia thugs for over 20 years (and before that with USSR despite cold war oil deals where conducted just like today) and theres a lot of Kompromat in the hands of FSB and putin that Germans know of, and do not want to come to light.

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German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has been compared to Adolf Hitler in a new entry by Dmitry Medvedev - former Russian president and now vice-chairman of the Russian Security Council. Medvedev also praised former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger who said that Ukraine should surrender to Russia.


Anyone surprised? For sure not me. Now that Scholz is a Hitler, the only logical option for Russian government is to repeat 1945year Berlin campaign and grab at least half of Germany, aint it?
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