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Jan 12 2022 02:55am
Quote (Melatonina @ 12 Jan 2022 09:39)
conspiracy backed by not facts
zoonosis : historical facts

which is the most plausible considering a group of germans biologist found a similar virus on some bats after few weeks in the south asia jungle ?
98,6% similar to coronavirus to be exact.

by jumping on conspiracies theories we might miss the most obvious lesson that everyone should heave learned from this crisis :

dont annoy the nature


98.6% genetic similarity isn't actually all that high. For context, the genomes of humans and chimps differ by less than 1%.
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Jan 12 2022 02:57am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 12 2022 02:04am)
and that coronavirus samples were routinely shipped from those natural habitats.... to that wuhan lab. It demonstrates a very clear pathway for how the virus could have been the product of recombination or gene editing at or around the laboratory, from samples brought there from Yunnan, and then escaped into the populace. Its just way, way too convenient that the 'closest' relative virus is 2000+ miles away but serves as the source for samples at the wuhan lab.


Hey genius, first of all bats don't magically fly and land in wuhan lab like some kind of trained pigeons, you have to send someone in the jungle first and get him to bring back some alive specimens I guess.

Second, hey genius how come China can alter genetics of a virus without leaving traces on it ? oh ya they can ?
oh ya they must have 20 years in advance compared to the rest of the world, while having 50 years delay on most others things a society needs lmao

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 12 2022 09:55am)
98.6% genetic similarity isn't actually all that high. For context, the genomes of humans and chimps differ by less than 1%.


bad comparison since they dont recombine and mutate like coronaviruses do. therefore, 1,4% difference isn't that much. how much do you think is the % difference between wuhan variant and omicron ?

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Jan 12 2022 03:15am
Quote (Melatonina @ Jan 12 2022 02:57am)
Hey genius, first of all bats don't magically fly and land in wuhan lab like some kind of trained pigeons, you have to send someone in the jungle first and get him to bring back some alive specimens I guess.


Shipping lines create opportunities for critters to migrate, like bats that stow away in ships or follow trucks, or just get taken as pets. The WIV claims it didn't take live specimens, only samples like droppins- but that runs into both the issue of 1) they probably did and are lying about it and 2) even if it wasn't their policy, they probably unintentionally did and 3) even non-living samples can create a contamination on the other end, infecting people or local wildlife like some colony of bats near the WIV.
And as long as any movement of bats or coronavirus material from Yunnan to the WIV existed, that provides an obvious route for the outbreak, and one that inherently implicates the WIV

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Second, hey genius how come China can alter genetics of a virus without leaving traces on it ? oh ya they can ?
oh ya they must have 20 years in advance compared to the rest of the world, while having 50 years delay on most others things a society needs lmao


Because we can't take it as a given that the only ways to alter the genetics of a virus are the known, public technology like Crispr, when we do not know the bioweapon capabilities of any advanced nation.
This is a known unknown: China could have gene editing technology it doesn't share with us, and we could have the same for that matter.
We already both have gene editing technology, why is it so unthinkable that it could be refined?
Besides, its a red herring argument, since recombination is the most likely genesis anyway
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Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 12 2022 10:15am)
Shipping lines create opportunities for critters to migrate, like bats that stow away in ships or follow trucks, or just get taken as pets. The WIV claims it didn't take live specimens, only samples like droppins- but that runs into both the issue of 1) they probably did and are lying about it and 2) even if it wasn't their policy, they probably unintentionally did and 3) even non-living samples can create a contamination on the other end, infecting people or local wildlife like some colony of bats near the WIV.
And as long as any movement of bats or coronavirus material from Yunnan to the WIV existed, that provides an obvious route for the outbreak, and one that inherently implicates the WIV



Because we can't take it as a given that the only ways to alter the genetics of a virus are the known, public technology like Crispr, when we do not know the bioweapon capabilities of any advanced nation.
This is a known unknown: China could have gene editing technology it doesn't share with us, and we could have the same for that matter.
We already both have gene editing technology, why is it so unthinkable that it could be refined?
Besides, its a red herring argument, since recombination is the most likely genesis anyway


tl;dr
you just make assumptions based on ignorance, since you havent studied science. else you wouldnt write such non sense

china has nothing but uneducated people going on the jungle and eating animals they shouldnt eat. add on top a severe lack of hygiena and you got it
end of story idiot

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Jan 12 2022 04:47am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jan 12 2022 09:52am)
We can agree on that much. Scientists have been publishing that climate change and environmental destruction will drive animals closer to humans and drive pandemics for literally decades.


thats conjecture and nothing more

i had no idea that climate change was forcing animals like bats or pangolins into the stomachs of the people who eat that shit and keep living creatures on the most disgusting "markets"

maybe just dont be a disgusting dumbass and stick with actual food
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Jan 12 2022 05:02am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 12 2022 02:55am)
98.6% genetic similarity isn't actually all that high. For context, the genomes of humans and chimps differ by less than 1%.


For viruses that kind of similarity is much more meaningful. Viruses don't billions of nucleotides the way mammals do. A typical RNA virus on googling is like 30,000 bases. A 99% similarity is more significant in that context.

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WTF, I thought requiring a photo ID to exercise basic rights was super racist and antidemocratic?!


Are they specifically targeting types of IDs used by minorities for exclusion? Cuz if Republican laws didn't just magically always do that they might not get so much pushback on ID requirements.

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Jan 12 2022 05:22am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jan 12 2022 04:02am)
For viruses that kind of similarity is much more meaningful. Viruses don't billions of nucleotides the way mammals do. A typical RNA virus on googling is like 30,000 bases. A 99% similarity is more significant in that context.



Are they specifically targeting types of IDs used by minorities for exclusion? Cuz if Republican laws didn't just magically always do that they might not get so much pushback on ID requirements.



If you don’t have a grown up ID and/or drivers license for $30 every 4 years, maybe you don’t have a reason to vote. Everyone that does normal societal things has an ID. Let’s not dig this hole any deeper.

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Jan 12 2022 05:25am
Quote (justhackitup @ Jan 12 2022 05:22am)
If you don’t have a grown up ID and/or drivers license for $30 every 4 years, maybe you don’t have a reason to vote. Everyone that does normal societal things has an ID. Let’s not dig this hole any deeper.


Maybe we don't gatekeep constitutional rights. Let's not dig this hole any deeper.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jan 12 2022 05:26am
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Jan 12 2022 05:33am
It’s a non-issue. Now this covid thing, now that’s annoying. Lots of talks about how to punish dissenters, no medical care, permanent triage, fines, literally segregating people and creating 2nd class citizens. It’s a slippery slope. I miss the days of thinking naively “when this is over”.
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Jan 12 2022 06:04am
Quote (justhackitup @ Jan 12 2022 06:33am)
It’s a non-issue. Now this covid thing, now that’s annoying. Lots of talks about how to punish dissenters, no medical care, permanent triage, fines, literally segregating people and creating 2nd class citizens. It’s a slippery slope. I miss the days of thinking naively “when this is over”.


Quebec talking about an extra tax for non vaxxed people.
In the same article it says 50% of ICU patients are non vaxxed.

Stressing the hospital system and the non vaxxed should pay because of it.

Thats the narrative.

This post was edited by kaisersigismund on Jan 12 2022 06:05am
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