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Oct 19 2021 12:36pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 19 2021 11:32am)
From a conservative or partisan perspective, he actually got several big ""wins"":

He induced a (small-scale) political realignment which greatly increased the efficiency of the GOP coalition.
He started a paradigm shift on several key issues. (E.g. China, trade, foreign policy, fiscal conservatism.)
He nominated 3 Supreme Court and countless circuit court judges.
He got a big tax bill through Congress which slashed taxes, neutered the most unpopular part of Obamacare (individual mandate) and capped SALT deductions (which were effectively a subsidy for blue states by red states).
He showed the party establishment that you can make inroads with voters of color even if you're decidedly unwoke and deliberately hawkish on immigration.
He prompted the MSM and Big Tech into dropping any pretense of neutrality, exposed their bias and manipulation.

Several decades from now, history will not be kind to his character and conduct, but his actual policies and achievements will imho be seen in a more positive light. He will be seen as a crass and divisive figure who nonetheless achieved more for his side than he was given credit for.




But yeah, he's gone off the deep end over the past year and kinda turned into a caricature of himself. He's become a liablity and if the GOP is stupid enough to nominate him again, 2024 will turn into a debacle.



I think he would still win in 24’ the entire GOP shift their stances to his opinions. As the old CNN fake news haters devour days of FOX weekly. And the left continues to cry about everything
Sad
Other points I don’t feel like going over and over. But your old school conservative ideals are dead. They are now hyper sensitive like the L and can’t figure fact from fiction.
Wasn’t a good trade IMO

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Oct 19 2021 12:41pm
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Oct 19 2021 12:46pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 19 2021 08:04am)
What a despicable thing to say:
https://i.imgur.com/ddNvS7D.jpg

Fucking hell, how low will this man sink? :wallbash: :fume:


This is actual good coming from Trump? I'm not sure what the issue is...

Don't you remember that he implied that a recently deceased Congressman went to Hell during his campaign?
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Oct 19 2021 12:47pm
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This is actual good coming from Trump? I'm not sure what the issue is...

Don't you remember that he implied that a recently deceased Congressman went to Hell during his campaign?



Is that the one where he openly mocked the widow too or was that a separate time
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Oct 19 2021 12:48pm
Quote (MrSK @ Oct 19 2021 11:47am)
Is that the one where he openly mocked the widow too or was that a separate time


That's the one.
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Oct 19 2021 03:05pm
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This is actual good coming from Trump? I'm not sure what the issue is...

Don't you remember that he implied that a recently deceased Congressman went to Hell during his campaign?


The big difference is that him and McCain had been feuding and trading blows for a long time. McCain had publicly blasted Trump over and over again.
By contrast, Trump had no reason whatsoever to hold a grudge against Powell, yet he still decided to figuratively dance on his grave.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 19 2021 02:05pm)
The big difference is that him and McCain had been feuding and trading blows for a long time. McCain had publicly blasted Trump over and over again.
By contrast, Trump had no reason whatsoever to hold a grudge against Powell, yet he still decided to figuratively dance on his grave.


What does this have to do with McCain? We're talking about Rep Dingell. Anyway, Trump isn't dancing on Powell's grave; this is a very reasonable statement coming from Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/trump-rally-john-dingell-hell/index.html
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Oct 19 2021 04:00pm
Good statement by Trump. My only complaint is that he didn't go far enough explaining what a POS Powell was.
He is responsible for lying us into war, leading to the deaths of millions.

But people want to cry about mean words said about the guy. Disgusting.


I will never support phony politically correct respectability politics over ethics, truth and integrity.
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Good statement by Trump. My only complaint is that he didn't go far enough explaining what a POS Powell was.
He is responsible for lying us into war, leading to the deaths of millions.

But people want to cry about mean words said about the guy. Disgusting.


I will never support phony politically correct respectability politics over ethics, truth and integrity.


I think looking at someone's work as a whole is important in evaluating a person. Otherwise, we're no better than the idiots tearing down statues of Thomas Jefferson.
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Oct 19 2021 05:36pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 19 2021 03:00pm)
Good statement by Trump. My only complaint is that he didn't go far enough explaining what a POS Powell was.
He is responsible for lying us into war, leading to the deaths of millions.

But people want to cry about mean words said about the guy. Disgusting.


I will never support phony politically correct respectability politics over ethics, truth and integrity.


hes just a classless puke. I know its hard to admit for you but the guy is a POS.
Truth and integrity at the end of your statement as you defend trump.
LOLOOLOLOLOLLOLOLLLOLLL>
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Oct 19 2021 06:00pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ 20 Oct 2021 00:00)
Good statement by Trump. My only complaint is that he didn't go far enough explaining what a POS Powell was.
He is responsible for lying us into war, leading to the deaths of millions.

But people want to cry about mean words said about the guy. Disgusting.


I will never support phony politically correct respectability politics over ethics, truth and integrity.


Oh please, Powell was just the stooge who carried out one part of the PR campaign. Without him, the Iraq war still happens.
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