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Oct 19 2021 06:07pm
trump is right, the media should have crucified powell by their current 2021 standards

but they have to save face of course, because the same lefty, woke, fake pacifist media nowadays spread the pro war propaganda and the lies of powell and friends back then

fuck powell, fuck the media
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Oct 19 2021 06:07pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 19 2021 08:00pm)
Oh please, Powell was just the stooge who carried out one part of the PR campaign. Without him, the Iraq war still happens.


Calling the great colin powell a stooge right after he died is very offensive and uncalled for. what did he ever do to you?
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Oct 19 2021 06:34pm
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What does this have to do with McCain? We're talking about Rep Dingell. Anyway, Trump isn't dancing on Powell's grave; this is a very reasonable statement coming from Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/18/politics/trump-rally-john-dingell-hell/index.html


LOL, nice troll. A-

Trump is playing his cards so badly right now. He has an A+ for effort, but C- for long term planning.
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Oct 19 2021 07:08pm
THE CANONIZATION OF COLIN POWELL
by Justin Raimondo (RIP), December 25, 2000

THE CANONIZATION OF COLIN POWELL
Colin Powell had been officially named secretary of state for barely five minutes and already he was beating the war drums, demanding the beefing up of Iraqi sanctions and not-so-subtly hinting at a military confrontation in the Middle East:

"We are in the strong position. He [Saddam Hussein] is in the weak position. And I think it is possible to reenergize those sanctions and then continue to contain him and then confront him – should that become necessary again."


THE GREAT DISABLER
Have no doubt – it will indeed become "necessary" to rain bombs on the Iraqi people. After all, with the economy tanking – with plenty of help from Dubya, the Great Disabler, who today [December 21] practically announced the demise of the boom – we’ll all need some distraction, a diversion and a demon to blame our economic problems on. Saddam surely fits the bill.

POWELL’S FORKED TONGUE
Isn’t it funny how they always manage to personalize it? It’s never ordinary Iraqis who will be "confronted" to death – only "Saddam," the incarnation of pure evil. What kind of a person speaks in this way? What sort of human being utilizes the calculated lie to prettify what he is actually talking about – the projected death of thousands of ordinary Iraqis?

MUTLICULTURAL MILITARISM
The disgusting orgy of adulation for the new secretary of state is truly a phenomenon to behold, and one of the chief idolators seems to be Powell himself: according to him, his appointment will "give inspiration to young African-Americans coming along – but beyond that, to all young Americans coming along – that no matter where you began in this society, there are no limitations on you." Yes, you too can aspire to become a mass murderer – American foreign policy is, after all, an equal opportunity engine of destruction.

BULLY IN BLACKFACE
"We are in the strong position," he brayed, and the Iraqis are "in the weak position." This kind of blatant bullying is supposed to be an "inspiration"? There are no limits to the arrogance of this man, whose ego is so puffed up by our uncritical media that he can say and do anything – and get away with it. The reason is because Powell is the virtual embodiment of the modern statist ideal, combining his exalted status as a military hero with the inherent political correctness of a racial role model. And so the Bush administration will use Powell to peddle their program of unrestrained militarism, wielding a weapon usually reserved for the Left: the race card. Along with Condoleezza Rice, he will put a black face on US foreign policy – as if that could somehow ameliorate the crimes off the US government in the court of world opinion. General Powell’s reputation as "the reluctant warrior" – an idea that apparently came out of his unwillingness to go all the way and take Baghdad at the end of the Gulf war – is bound to be revised during the next four years, and sooner rather than later.

AMERICAN CAESAR
The New York Post reports that Bush "had tears in his eyes as he made his first Cabinet appointment" – but you can bet he wasn’t thinking about the grisly fate that awaits the Iraqis. Indeed, he seemed entirely disconnected from the real meaning of his own appointment, and the clear message that Powell was sending. "He believes as I do," burbled Dubya, "that our nation is best when we project our strength and purpose with humility." Whatever Powell is projecting, it isn’t humility, but the imperial arrogance of an incipient American Caesar.

AN IRAQI CHRISTMAS
Christmas in Iraq – that’s where I’d like to send Colin Powell, and all his journalistic fan club, where he and they could dine on the few items that manage to get past US sanctions (washed down with some powdered milk mixed with contaminated water, the same deadly mixture that has so far killed thousands of Iraqi babies.) A merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!

IN SEARCH OF ENEMIES
The media hangs on Powell’s every word, but the content of his statements go unexamined. Where is the logic in declaring that Iraq – long since incapable of launching a military effort of any kind – is a "dangerous threat," yet, according to the General, China is not a "potential enemy" but merely one of those "nations that are seeking their way"? As warmongering goes, this is not very convincing. If the War Party is going to invent enemies to justify a policy of perpetual war and expansion, then why pick on a nation of half-starved people who have been bombed half-way back to the Stone Age? Why not pick on a nation half a billion-plus strong, a nuclear power whose regime has been in cahoots with Dubya’s predecessor?

THE BUSH AGENDA
It just doesn’t make sense – unless and until you begin to unravel the commercial connections and interests that control this administration and direct its foreign policy. Big Oil owns Dubya, and they have their sights set on the Middle East– not only the Iraqi oil fields but the untold oil wealth of the Caucasus, once part of the former Soviet Union. This volatile region is ready to blow, and a confederation of pro-Western – albeit far from democratic – states, including Georgia and Azerbaijan, are lining up against Russia. With the entry of an administration entirely beholden to Big Oil, US intervention in the region is only a matter of time. Iraq is the doorway to the Caucasus, and this is the real objective of US policy in the Era of Dubya – to finish the cold war and gobble up the juicier remnants of the old Soviet empire.

TWO-PRONGED ASSAULT
The Bush restoration will mean the revival of the cold war, a spate of military spending to pump up a flagging economy and a replay of Desert Storm: combined with NATO expansion, the Bush-Powell foreign policy will amount to a two-pronged assault on the Russians. With Poland and (soon) the Baltics joining the Western alliance, this will bring the NATO-crats right up to the gates of Moscow. And if the Russians notice this, and dare to be alarmed, then this will be touted as proof of Russian "paranoia," "conspiracism," and "xenophobia" – all sure signs of that dread phenomenon, "resurgent nationalism." How long before Vladimir Putin, having restored the old Soviet national anthem and gone to visit Fidel Castro, is reviled as the reincarnation of Stalin and (inevitably) Hitler?

COLIN POWELL AND THE POWER ELITE
I won’t go on at length about Colin Powell as a fitting symbol of our bipartisan policy of global "intervention" because I have already written a short book on the subject: Colin Powell and the Power Elite was written and published in 1993, when the Powell-for-President boomlet was at its height. Here is the story of a man bred for power. Carefully nurtured by the Powers That Be, who seem to have had a special destiny in mind for him, Powell’s appointment as secretary of state has brought him that much closer to his ultimate goal – the White House. After four years of what is shaping up to be a weak and "divisive" presidency, what better way to bring the warring factions of the nation together than the "unifying" figure of General Powell? In any case, as a guide to his political views and connections, and an indication of what we might expect over the next four years, you won’t want to miss Colin Powell and the Power Elite.

https://original.antiwar.com/justin/2000/12/25/the-canonization-of-colin-powell/

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Oct 19 2021 10:22pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 19 2021 01:32pm)
From a conservative or partisan perspective, he actually got several big ""wins"":

He induced a (small-scale) political realignment which greatly increased the efficiency of the GOP coalition.
He started a paradigm shift on several key issues. (E.g. China, trade, foreign policy, fiscal conservatism.)
He nominated 3 Supreme Court and countless circuit court judges.
He got a big tax bill through Congress which slashed taxes, neutered the most unpopular part of Obamacare (individual mandate) and capped SALT deductions (which were effectively a subsidy for blue states by red states).
He showed the party establishment that you can make inroads with voters of color even if you're decidedly unwoke and deliberately hawkish on immigration.
He prompted the MSM and Big Tech into dropping any pretense of neutrality, exposed their bias and manipulation.

Several decades from now, history will not be kind to his character and conduct, but his actual policies and achievements will imho be seen in a more positive light. He will be seen as a crass and divisive figure who nonetheless achieved more for his side than he was given credit for.

But yeah, he's gone off the deep end over the past year and kinda turned into a caricature of himself. He's become a liablity and if the GOP is stupid enough to nominate him again, 2024 will turn into a debacle.


Trump did not start a single paradigm shift. You are doing that thing where you just buy into his talking points without actually knowing anything about the subject.

The tax bill was guaranteed with a Republican president, and was the only significant thing he accomplished his entire presidency, except the supreme court judges which were all McConnel.
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Oct 19 2021 11:35pm
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Trump did not start a single paradigm shift. You are doing that thing where you just buy into his talking points without actually knowing anything about the subject.

The tax bill was guaranteed with a Republican president, and was the only significant thing he accomplished his entire presidency, except the supreme court judges which were all McConnel.


The Republican party was a free-trade party. Trump ran as a pro-tariff protectionist. The Republican 2012 autopsy advocated for a softer immigration stance, hence Jeb's "act of love" faux pas. Trump ran as an extreme hard-liner who made 2012 Romney look positively soft and won. Republican foreign policy was neoconservative, Trump acknowledged the mistake (booed at the S.Carolina debate) and ran in opposition to nation building.

I'm not really sure how anyone who has paid attention over the last decade can claim that Trump didn't leave the Republican party far different than he found it. There was a sharp disconnect between the Republican base and traditional Republican talking points. Trump exploited that and vastly accelerated realignment of white collar suburbanites and blue collar workers.
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Oct 19 2021 11:39pm
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The Republican party was a free-trade party. Trump ran as a pro-tariff protectionist. The Republican 2012 autopsy advocated for a softer immigration stance, hence Jeb's "act of love" faux pas. Trump ran as an extreme hard-liner who made 2012 Romney look positively soft and won. Republican foreign policy was neoconservative, Trump acknowledged the mistake (booed at the S.Carolina debate) and ran in opposition to nation building.

I'm not really sure how anyone who has paid attention over the last decade can claim that Trump didn't leave the Republican party far different than he found it. There was a sharp disconnect between the Republican base and traditional Republican talking points. Trump exploited that and vastly accelerated realignment of white collar suburbanites and blue collar workers.


Republicans have never been a free trade party. That's, again, selectively believing the rhetoric without looking at actions and where they contradict themselves.

Republican 2012 autopsy advocated something but that doesn't mean they ever actually went for it. Oh, Jeb tried to be nice? Cool story bro.

Trump didn't leave Aghanistan and left no withdrawal plan. Oh he ran against nation building and didn't actually take any concrete steps to stop it? Cool story bro.


You're doing exactly what I said you have to do to believe that.
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Oct 20 2021 12:43am
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The guy who wrote that was a homosexual and consistently failed to be voted into office.
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Oct 20 2021 02:17am
There's no way to "know" for sure if voter fraud took place in 2020.
There is one thing that we DO know for sure... 5-6 swing states ALL had problems counting the votes on election night.

Pretty big coincidence.


I just noticed... Trump got two more votes in this poll. LOL

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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 20 Oct 2021 02:07)
trump is right, the media should have crucified powell by their current 2021 standards

but they have to save face of course, because the same lefty, woke, fake pacifist media nowadays spread the pro war propaganda and the lies of powell and friends back then

fuck powell, fuck the media

Of course he is right when it comes to Powell and the media?! No sane person would claim otherwise. That's not the point. The point is that an obituary is a totally unsuitable occasion to highlight this. If there's ever a moment to be graceful and set aside one's own agenda for a moment, it's the obituary for a distinguished person who served the country for decades. Trump can continue to bitch and moan about the press 24/7 afterwards, but it was completely unnecessary to shit on Powell for the purpose of letting the world know how oh-so mean the media has treated him. Trump's pathological inability to take the high road, even when that's the smart thing to do for his own ambitions, is a real impediment to his effectiveness as a president or candidate.



Quote (cambovenzi @ 20 Oct 2021 02:07)
Calling the great colin powell a stooge right after he died is very offensive and uncalled for. what did he ever do to you?

I'm a nobody posting on an obscure, 20 year old forum for nerds which is read by a grand total of less than 30 persons, not an ex-president releasing an official statement to the press.

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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 20 Oct 2021 07:39)
Republicans have never been a free trade party. That's, again, selectively believing the rhetoric without looking at actions and where they contradict themselves.

Bush Sr. negotiated large parts of NAFTA, Clinton just finalized the done deal.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2018/12/02/how-george-hw-bush-pushed-united-states-embrace-free-trade/

As recently as 2012, Romney was positioning himself in favor of even more neoliberal globalization and free trade than Obama:
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/more-nafta-anyone-romney-positions-free-trade-champion/


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Republican 2012 autopsy advocated something but that doesn't mean they ever actually went for it. Oh, Jeb tried to be nice? Cool story bro.

The party establishment definitely wanted to implement the recommendations from the 2012 autopsy, they just couldn't because the base was having none of it. Hence, Trump.


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Trump didn't leave Aghanistan and left no withdrawal plan.

How can you blame Trump for not having left Afghanistan when you, less than 3 months ago, excused Biden's disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan by the purported fait accompli that he inherited from Trump, insinuating that Trump is actually responsible for the debacle over which Biden presided. Funny how that works, isn't it?

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