Quote (JessiWan @ 7 Jun 2022 00:14)

OK here's my dumb question: are Ukrainians ethnically and culturally Russian? Because maybe Russia thinks Ukraine should still be a part of Russia.

It's sort of similar to the situation with China and Taiwan. Taiwan wants to become its own nation and thinks they are not Chinese. But China insists that they are Chinese and threatens them with military action if they try to declare independence.

Quote (Cascadian @ Jun 6 2022 10:18am)

Have fun with that, every dictators wet dream. "Canada is culturally USA, time to invade." "Panama, is culturally Costa Rican, time to "stop their independence movement"

Quote (Santara @ Jun 6 2022 10:07am)

Central planners kept the devastation localized in Ukraine. How is it that the breadbasket of the Soviet Union suffered the worst, Bob? How is it that food was distributed to the other SSRs while Ukraine suffered a population loss of roughly 1 in 7 people?

Tell the Ukrainians there's no more animosity. I'm sure they'll believe you. Russia has been abusing Ukraine for over a century. Ukraine declared its independence from Russia in 1918, only to have their government overthrown by the Russians. They lived under Soviet domination for another 70 years, and Russia has been meddling in their affairs since their independence.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ 6 Jun 2022 16:28)

So if Ukrainians hate Russia so much because of something that happened 100 years ago, how come the entire Eastern half of the country has a large percentage of pro-Russians and generally wants to join Russia?

Gee, almost like the Russia-haters in Ukraine are a minority, almost like it is the same group that worships Bandera!

Quote (chopstickz777 @ 6 Jun 2022 19:28)

So if Ukrainians hate Russia so much because of something that happened 100 years ago, how come the entire Eastern half of the country has a large percentage of pro-Russians and generally wants to join Russia?

Gee, almost like the Russia-haters in Ukraine are a minority, almost like it is the same group that worships Bandera!

Quote (JessiWan @ Jun 6 2022 07:14pm)

OK here's my dumb question: are Ukrainians ethnically and culturally Russian? Because maybe Russia thinks Ukraine should still be a part of Russia.

It's sort of similar to the situation with China and Taiwan. Taiwan wants to become its own nation and thinks they are not Chinese. But China insists that they are Chinese and threatens them with military action if they try to declare independence.

Quote (JessiWan @ Jun 6 2022 11:14am)

OK here's my dumb question: are Ukrainians ethnically and culturally Russian? Because maybe Russia thinks Ukraine should still be a part of Russia.

It's sort of similar to the situation with China and Taiwan. Taiwan wants to become its own nation and thinks they are not Chinese. But China insists that they are Chinese and threatens them with military action if they try to declare independence.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Jun 6 2022 11:28am)

So if Ukrainians hate Russia so much because of something that happened 100 years ago, how come the entire Eastern half of the country has a large percentage of pro-Russians and generally wants to join Russia?

Gee, almost like the Russia-haters in Ukraine are a minority, almost like it is the same group that worships Bandera!

Quote (Santara @ Jun 6 2022 11:27am)

*for what happened over the last 100 years*

Because of population transfers (deportations/forced migrations), among many other things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Jun 6 2022 08:42pm)

Oh look, Ukrainian refugees in Bulgaria broke into and trashed a woman's home for no apparent reason:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1533325179849433089

Hmm, strange, why are Ukrainians such angry people to do this? And then in Berlin they stabbed a man to death after he protected a woman who was being groped by Ukrainians.

Interesting people. Truly wise, intelligent, considerate and compassionate people!

Quote (Lvivz @ Jun 6 2022 11:54am)

some cheap amateur propaganda there boris.