Just curious, if it DIDNT come from the lab, no matter how it escaped the lab, where do you think it came from?

animal to human transmission? Like every other pandemic ever.

Yeah there was always a buttload of evidence indicating it came from the lab, and none to disprove it. And yet until late last year, people were somehow convinced that it was proven it didn't come from the lab, it was impossible, and saying it was even hypothetically possible was a hate crime against the chinese and a permabannable offense on reddit.

I think you've got the gist of it right. The genetic markers are way too impossible rare to occur in nature without any known coronaviruses with the furin cleavage site in the wild before it, and the outbreak happened to be centered on the laboratory where they were studying gain of function research by getting that exact furin cleavage site onto a bat coronavirus. And the closest known relatives without that recombined furin cleavage site are from bats 2000+ miles away, who were imported to the WIV at the center of the outbreak. It doesn't take much imagination to come up with scenarios where lax safety protocols around the laboratory, especially on how bat samples were brought to the lab and shipping involved, could let a leak occur. We're supposed to take at face value the chinese claims that no live bats were ever transported, only droppings, none ever hitched a ride or was taken as a pet. And that we can trust their records and they totally didn't delete anything pertaining to closer known relatives of the virus being studied at WIV

lab-leak could mean protocols werent followed to prevent exposure and containment measures were ineffective. which would lead toward the fuck-up lab leak hypothesis.

The Fauci emails put him ever closer to the FACT that viruses in Wuhan were being modified and studied.

When you look from the perspective of: Would you work on a product if you don't intend to profit from? And, does this product offer ANY good to humainty? You discover that the very research being done in Wuhan has only 1 purpose. So fuck-up or not the product has been delivered and judging on the magnitude of it's spread, the delay in response in 2019, yadda yadda yadda. It look less and less like a fuck-up and more like a profitable crisis

"Buttload of evidence". All there was is rumor. Please use facts instead of emotion to make your analysis of the situation. Just because the viral ancestor hasn't been found in a wild population doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Viral genetics are tricky at best, frustrating at worst and spreading misinformation because you understand half the words in use doesn't help anyone.

Besides violating the ban on gain of function research, it was also assisting the chinese in bioweapons research. Not just "not offering anything good", but basically like if we sent nuclear scientists to the soviet union to assist building their h-bomb. Who in their right mind would think its okay to help the chinese find novel ways to make coronaviruses become very deadly and very transmissible?

The lab you're referencing was several km from the wet market. The Wuhan CDC building that's right next to the wet market isn't a laboratory.

So... there's no reason to assume the wet market thing was a cover up. They had nothing to cover up by linking it to the wet market.



At best you have minor circumstantial evidence.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jan 11 2022 04:34pm

They are both at the city the outbreak began and close enough that its meaningless to explain away the origins. Movement of people within the city is enough that geographical clustering can't tell you the origin with any certainty. If it was an outbreak 2000 miles away at the Yunnan caves it would be a different case. There are endless scenarios where someone moved around in Wuhan after being exposed to a virus with its nexus at the WIV. And they certainly had plenty to cover up by blaming the wet market, that wiped their hands clean of any state responsibility.

Ah yes, just circumstantial evidence:

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2022/01/11/new-us-military-report-states-covid-19-was-created-by-a-us-funded-ecohealth-alliance-program-at-wuhan-institute-of-virology-n504679

"As we previously reported, on Monday night Project Veritas released a new report announcing that they’d obtained US military documents proving that Dr. Anthony Fauci had lied to Congress and, more specifically, “never-before-seen documents regarding the origins of COVID-19, gain of function research, vaccines, potential treatments which have been suppressed, and the government’s effort to conceal all of this.”

"In the video, Project Veritas identifies the author as Marine Corps Maj. Joseph Murphy, then-Commandant Marine Corps Fellow at DARPA. According to his LinkedIn page, Maj. Murphy is now at the Office of Naval Research."
After the date, the to/from, the subject line, and a list of attachments, the first page of the memo reads:

SARS-CoV-2 is an American-created recombinant bat vaccine, or its precursor virus. It was created by an EcoHealth Alliance program at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), as suggested by the reporting surrounding the lab leak hypothesis. The details of this program have been concealed since the pandemic began. These details can be found in the EcoHealth Alliance proposal response to the DARPA PREEMPT program Broad Agency Announcement (BAA) HR00118S0017, dated March 2018 – a document not yet publicly disclosed.

The contents of the proposed program are extremely detailed. Peter Daszak lays out step-by-step what the organization intends to do by phase and by location. The primary scientists involved, their roles, and their institutions are indicated. The funding plan for the WIV work is its own document. The reasons why nonpharmaceutical interventions like masks and medical countermeasures like the mRNA vaccines do not work well can be extrapolated from the details. The reasons why the early treatment protocols work as curatives are apparent.

SARS-CoV-2’s form as it emerged is likely as a precursor, deliberately virulent, humanized recombinant SARSr-CoV that was to be reverse engineered into a live attenuated SARSr-CoV bat vaccine. Its nature can be determined from analysis of its genome with the context provided by the EcoHealth Alliance proposal. Joining this analysis with US intelligence collections on Wuhan will aid this determination.

This post was edited by chopstickz777 on Jan 11 2022 04:53pm

Literally nothing you've said is evidence of any sort and relying on Project Veritas to be your data underlying the lab leak hypothesis is laughable.