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Mar 5 2022 07:50pm

Quote (Dmitriy @ Mar 5 2022 04:26pm)

never seen gas prices increase this fast:

Gas prices 5 days ago: $4.19
Gas price today: $4.69

usually if it goes up it slowly goes up by 10 cents.

It's cringe how the west angelified Zelinsky when one of the reasons innocent people are dying in Ukraine is because of his decisions. Putin isn't Hitler whos trying to eradicate Ukranians. Back in the day when Ukraine was part of Russia they still had their own culture and were able to exercise it without repercussion. Zelinsky needs to surrender to avoid further casualties.

Ukraine integration back into Russia might even improve it's bad economy. Many people live hungry in Ukraine all the time, you should also see the living conditions, which always makes me cringe when people bitch about living in USA when we actually have it much better compared to people in other countries.

But who knows, maybe Putin has something sinister planned for Ukranians.

Holy shit Ukraine is a sovereign country. You're literally arguing that a sovereign country shouldn't defend itself against people intent on conquering it. At best you're mentally ill but let's be real you're a Russian shill.

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Mar 5 2022 07:58pm

Quote (thundercock @ Mar 5 2022 07:47pm)

This is all extremely ridiculous. There are hardly any Russian troops in Ukraine and most of them are only in Crimea (which is officially Russia anyway). Most of the "combat" footage I've seen are poorly done deep fakes or clearly staged. Remember, just because the government/media says something, doesn't mean it's true.

Hard to know what's really the case, i'll admit to that. If civilians were in fact getting killing, as I've apparently been falsely led to believe, would those two reasons still seem ridiculous?

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Mar 5 2022 07:58pm

Quote (WiziLiCe @ 6 Mar 2022 02:41)

From what i've heard; Barring citizens from leaving the warzone. Arming/Uriging civilians to take up arms (children amongst). Do these qualify to you as reasons why innocent people are getting killed?

That's fair, I'm kinda sceptical of his order that all fighting-age men are barred from leaving the country. And I outright reject his call for civilians to build molotov cocktails and become combatants this way.
Still, Ukraine is only a warzone in the first place because of the Russian invasion. It is Putin's decision to pull the trigger on a full-blown invasion that is at the root of all this recent bloodshed and misery, not Zelensky's.

Quote (Goomshill @ 6 Mar 2022 02:34)

Ukraine summarily executed its top peace negotiator from the first peace talks with Russia, accusing him of treason.

From what I've read, the Russians are claiming that he was executed for treason by the Ukrainian government while the Ukrainian side claims he was an intelligence operative killed in the line of duty.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 5 2022 07:59pm

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Mar 5 2022 08:01pm

Quote (MCS @ Mar 5 2022 05:50pm)

I come from Ukraine and twats like you on here shouldn't be opening their mouths when trying to discuss the lives and interactions between Ukranians and Russians. I actually have experience and my parents and grandpa/grandma lived through the times when Ukraine didn't exist and Ukranians and Russians lived together peacefully with some prejudice here and there how we have in USA.

I also have relives that currently live in Ukraine with whom we communicate. All this could have ended by now.

Also, Putin didn't even say he wants to take over Ukraine (I just provided a hypothetical reality if he were), he wants it to stay neutral.

This post was edited by Dmitriy on Mar 5 2022 08:03pm

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Mar 5 2022 08:12pm

Quote (Dmitriy @ Mar 5 2022 06:01pm)

Your anecdotal shilling is irrelevant. Ukraine is higher than Russia on both the freedom index and the quality of life index any claim that life under Putin is better isn't backed by reality.

What Putin wants to do with Ukraine is irrelevant because Ukraine is a sovereign country and Putin isn't it's leader.

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All this could have ended by now.

All this could have never started if Russia didn't invade a sovereign country.

This post was edited by MCS on Mar 5 2022 08:12pm

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Mar 5 2022 08:18pm

Quote (Dmitriy @ 6 Mar 2022 03:01)

I come from Ukraine and twats like you on here shouldn't be opening their mouths when trying to discuss the lives and interactions between Ukranians and Russians. I actually have experience and my parents and grandpa/grandma lived through the times when Ukraine didn't exist and Ukranians and Russians lived together peacefully with some prejudice here and there how we have in USA.

I also have relives that currently live in Ukraine with whom we communicate. All this could have ended by now.

Also, Putin didn't even say he wants to take over Ukraine (I just provided a hypothetical reality if he were), he wants it to stay neutral.

He wants it to return to its pre-Maidan status quo ante of being a Russian puppet state, similar to Belarus.

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Mar 5 2022 08:26pm

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 5 2022 08:34pm)

Ukraine summarily executed its top peace negotiator from the first peace talks with Russia, accusing him of treason.

Being a spy is dangerous.

Speaking of dangerous, heard a couple Republicans doxxed Zelensky to Russia on Twitter.

This post was edited by Skinned on Mar 5 2022 08:29pm

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Mar 5 2022 08:44pm

Quote (dro94 @ Mar 5 2022 07:21am)

So Russia has come under a lot of criticism over not dominating the airspace, many military experts were bewildered as it should be the first thing they do

In the last day, the Russians have become much more active in the skies but have taken significant losses, and that's verified or highly likely to be correct based on experts reviewing video evidence. Shows that Ukrainian air defence is still up in some areas as well as them being well-equipped in MANPADS

The more Russian deaths, the better. It's difficult to replace pilots so I'm glad that they are getting killed. VDV has proven to be a fucking joke.

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Mar 5 2022 08:47pm

Quote (thundercock @ Mar 5 2022 08:44pm)

The more Russian deaths, the better. It's difficult to replace pilots so I'm glad that they are getting killed. VDV has proven to be a fucking joke.

Better they just get to go home in peace. Less death is better.

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Mar 5 2022 08:57pm

Air dominance is useful when you want to bomb an enemy country into the ground. It's far less useful in urban warfare, particularly when you want to conquer rather than destroy the country. Even more so when you want to sell the war as 'a heroic effort to liberate the other country from its oppressive government' to your home front.

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