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Jun 5 2022 02:28pm
Quote (Ironfister @ Jun 5 2022 07:03pm)
Did you see the map? Severodonetsk cant be really fully encircled, as there is a river that soldiers can cross when there is an order to retreat.
We are not Ukrainian generals, but so far they didnt let Russians encircle them, except for Mariupol where they left soldiers deliberately to keep Russians busy.
Nobody knows who will win this war, and what will be the result.
In my opinion, if Ukraine gets some serious security guarantees from NATO, they can leave Donbas in Russian hands.
But it will be up to Ukraine to decide, and they for sure shouldnt give it like for free, because Putin will simply regroup and hit them again.


Russia have destroyed all but two bridges connecting Severodonetsk to Lysychansk, and one of them is damaged. it's a big risk reinforcing a salient across the river

Quote (Lvivz @ Jun 5 2022 07:46pm)
The need for russian generals to be present on the battlefield talks volumes about organization and poor chain of command of the orc fascist putin army.
He didn't die for his country, he died invading other sovereign nation and got fried like a moth. He found his place in the gutter where nobody ever will remember him.


Russian military doctrine has generals lead from the front, like the armies from hundreds of years ago. Western armies do not. So I wouldn't be so quick to interpret Russian generals dying as a Russian strategic failure
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Jun 5 2022 02:39pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 5 Jun 2022 21:02)
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/europe/manifestations-en-ukraine/guerre-en-ukraine-des-artilleurs-ukrainiens-utilisent-des-armes-francaises_5180191.html

Amazing, believe me.

Ukrainian artillerymen who use Caesar cannons delivered by France
heir target during this day? Russian artillery parts positioned at 17 kilometers.
"Just after shooting, the artillerymen must leave as soon as possible to avoid being spotted by the enemy," said journalist from France Télévisions, Maryse Burgot, present on the spot.
After each Caesar shooting, Ukrainian surveillance drones fly over targets targets such as Russian tanks destroyed here a few days ago.
According to the commander of this unit which hassix caesars, they allowed the elimination of at least 80 pieces of Russian artillery.
These young Ukrainian artillerymen were trained in France, in the midst of war a month ago, on a military base in the south of France.

So goooood.

Great, these are great artilleries but really 6 caesars is too few for such a long frontline. Cant you guys send like 40?
Poland is a smaller country yet we sent them free 18 krab, and are working on a deal to provide more.
Surely a France can send more, maybe you guys can convince your leaders to send more :)

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Jun 5 2022 02:40pm
Quote (dro94 @ Jun 5 2022 11:28pm)
Russia have destroyed all but two bridges connecting Severodonetsk to Lysychansk, and one of them is damaged. it's a big risk reinforcing a salient across the river



Russian military doctrine has generals lead from the front, like the armies from hundreds of years ago. Western armies do not. So I wouldn't be so quick to interpret Russian generals dying as a Russian strategic failure


There is a reason why generals shouldn't lead from the front, with technology available today - e.i satellites drones etc - there is absolutely no need for a general to be present so close to the front line or in the line of fire, 100s of years ago - there was a good reason for the generals to be there, as they "mapped" their troop movements/and conditions during the battle as they unfolded.

The real reason why russian generals are there, is due to corruption and mayors/colonels not doing what they are supposed to do if the generals are not there, what we seen a lot of - claims of villages/cities/strategic points being taken while theres fierce fighting going on, sometimes russian propaganda claiming "victories" based on reports from said mayors/colonels where in reality their forces have been decimated, when information of whats actually happening trickles through the cracks in the propaganda picture russkies get upset which leads to russian generals being fired/whacked once truth gets out on official level, so thats why these generals are in the line of fire to save themselves first of all, not lead from the front. 15% of generals in russia have not even served in the military a single day of their life lol, Shoigu the official "marshal" has no military background whatsoever just putins buddy.

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Jun 5 2022 02:46pm
Quote (Lvivz @ Jun 5 2022 02:40pm)
There is a reason why generals shouldn't lead from the front, with technology available today - e.i satellites drones etc - there is absolutely no need for a general to be present so close to the front line or in the line of fire, 100s of years ago - there was a good reason for the generals to be there, as they "mapped" their troop movements/and conditions during the battle as they unfolded.

The real reason why russian generals are there, is due to corruption and mayors/colonels not doing what they are supposed to do if the generals are not there, what we seen a lot of - claims of villages/cities/strategic points being taken while theres fierce fighting going on, sometimes russian propaganda claiming "victories" based on reports from said mayors/colonels where in reality their forces have been decimated, when information of whats actually happening trickles through the cracks in the propaganda picture russkies get upset which leads to russian generals being fired/whacked once truth gets out on official level, so thats why these generals are in the line of fire to save themselves first of all, not lead from the front. 15% of generals in russia have not even served in the military a single day of their life lol, Shoigu the official "marshal" has no military background whatsoever just putins buddy.


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Quote (Ironfister @ Jun 5 2022 02:39pm)
Great, these are great artilleries but really 6 caesars is too few for such a long frontline. Cant you guys send like 40?
Poland is a smaller country yet we sent them free 18 krab, and are working on a deal to provide more.
Surely a France can send more, maybe you guys can convince your leaders to send more :)


Zelensky insults everybody who doesn't want to help him. Only countries with little to no self respect are assisting Ukraine right now
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Jun 5 2022 02:49pm
Today from Telegram - a Russian PoW that a Ukrainian army marine tried to stab to death in Mariupol meets his attacker (documented on video):

36th brigade Ukrainian marine meets his victim.

Victor is DNR soldier. Doctors say it is a miracle he is alive.
The scars on his body and head are left by Ukrainian soldiers.
Dmitry Evgan, the "Said" a marine from the 36th Brigade of AFU.
- My body came and said, hey let's kill a POW.
So I went and stoke him with a knife 6 times and left that room.
- What kind of feelings you had when you were doing this?
- I can't describe it... The docs pulled the body out on the second day. They said he was dead.
- Look to you right.
(The DNR soldier he butchered is standing right there.)
- Recognize me?
- Yes i do...
- Oh yeah?
- Yes...
- God will judge you, you get me?
- Yes...
- So it him you have butchered? (asks the investigator)
- Yes...
He turns to the DNR soldier and asks him:
- Please can I ask you to forgive me, I need it for me... in the eyes of God, I ask you to forgive me...
- I don't need your apologies man!
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Jun 5 2022 02:52pm
Quote (Lvivz @ Jun 5 2022 02:20pm)
Todays strikes on Druzhovka by russian fascist orc horde
"striking military targets"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgTjpYyVwsA


Here's how it's actually going in Severodonetsk:

Severodonetsk 05/06/2022

1. Fighting continues in the area of ​​the Azot chemical plant industrial zone. The enemy also maintains communication with Lysychansk through one of the damaged bridges—heavy equipment passes there with great difficulty, but vehicles pass [more easily].

2. The transfer of reinforcements from Lysychansk to Severodonetsk, after the Ukrainian Armed Forces had surrendered almost the entire city, made it possible to stay in the Azot area and start battles in the adjacent residential area, while Ukrainian sources themselves admit that there is no ambition to recapture Severodonetsk. The fighting will accordingly continue in the industrial area, and part of Severodonetsk will soon turn into an analogue of Mariupol in terms of destruction of high-rise buildings and other residential buildings, taking into account the active work of the Ukrainian Armed Forces' artillery in Severodonetsk.

3. It is unlikely that the command of the RF Armed Forces planned to storm Lysychansk head-on after taking the industrial zone of Severodonetsk. The real assault on Lysychansk will come when they break through the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Privolye and Ustinovka, advancing to the outskirts of the city—regardless of what will happen in the [Azot] industrial complex.

4. Of key importance for all these battles is the struggle for the Artemovsk-Lysychansk highway, since control over it will ddevalue ​any efforts of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to hold Lysychansk and Severodonetsk, unless, of course, there is a plan to sacrifice the entire grouping of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, as well as all the foreign mercenaries who were abandoned to hold the Azot industrial zone.

5. So far, the RF Armed Forces have ensured complete fire control over the route, which has already affected the supply of Severodonetsk and Lysychansk. But there is no complete block on the highway yet, so individual vehicles and groups are still passing; however full-fledged supply, which was possible back in the first half of May, can no longer be ensured, despite all efforts to push the RF Armed Forces away from the area of ​​Belogorovka and Berestovoye. The current task of the RF Armed Forces in this direction is to grind the enemy's reserves in the upcoming battles and cross the Artemovsk-Lysychansk highway.

6. Naturally, the activity of the RF Armed Forces in the direction of Seversk is also expected, since taking under fire control (which is not yet achieved) the Artemovsk-Seversk-Lysychansk highway will lead to the notorious operational encirclement of the Severodonetsk grouping, which will simply lose the ability to re-supply through Artemovsk, and any retreat will entail serious losses.

7. Therefore, in the near future, on the one hand, we will observe positional battles in the area of ​​​​the Severodonetsk industrial zone and high-intensity battles north of Soledar.
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Quote (chopstickz777 @ Jun 5 2022 11:46pm)
Zelensky insults everybody who doesn't want to help him. Only countries with little to no self respect are assisting Ukraine right now




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Jun 5 2022 02:54pm
Quote (Lvivz @ Jun 5 2022 02:53pm)


https://www.rt.com/news/556658-ukraine-germany-weapons-disgrace/

Ukraine calls Germany’s policy ‘disgrace’


You see that? They just called Germany a "disgrace" LOL

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Yes, very reasonable these people, these ukrainians. Biting the hand that feeds them. HILARIOUS!
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Quote (chopstickz777 @ Jun 5 2022 11:52pm)
Here's how it's actually going in Severodonetsk:

Severodonetsk 05/06/2022

1. Fighting continues in the area of ​​the Azot chemical plant industrial zone. The enemy also maintains communication with Lysychansk through one of the damaged bridges—heavy equipment passes there with great difficulty, but vehicles pass [more easily].

2. The transfer of reinforcements from Lysychansk to Severodonetsk, after the Ukrainian Armed Forces had surrendered almost the entire city, made it possible to stay in the Azot area and start battles in the adjacent residential area, while Ukrainian sources themselves admit that there is no ambition to recapture Severodonetsk. The fighting will accordingly continue in the industrial area, and part of Severodonetsk will soon turn into an analogue of Mariupol in terms of destruction of high-rise buildings and other residential buildings, taking into account the active work of the Ukrainian Armed Forces' artillery in Severodonetsk.

3. It is unlikely that the command of the RF Armed Forces planned to storm Lysychansk head-on after taking the industrial zone of Severodonetsk. The real assault on Lysychansk will come when they break through the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Privolye and Ustinovka, advancing to the outskirts of the city—regardless of what will happen in the [Azot] industrial complex.

4. Of key importance for all these battles is the struggle for the Artemovsk-Lysychansk highway, since control over it will ddevalue ​any efforts of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to hold Lysychansk and Severodonetsk, unless, of course, there is a plan to sacrifice the entire grouping of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, as well as all the foreign mercenaries who were abandoned to hold the Azot industrial zone.

5. So far, the RF Armed Forces have ensured complete fire control over the route, which has already affected the supply of Severodonetsk and Lysychansk. But there is no complete block on the highway yet, so individual vehicles and groups are still passing; however full-fledged supply, which was possible back in the first half of May, can no longer be ensured, despite all efforts to push the RF Armed Forces away from the area of ​​Belogorovka and Berestovoye. The current task of the RF Armed Forces in this direction is to grind the enemy's reserves in the upcoming battles and cross the Artemovsk-Lysychansk highway.

6. Naturally, the activity of the RF Armed Forces in the direction of Seversk is also expected, since taking under fire control (which is not yet achieved) the Artemovsk-Seversk-Lysychansk highway will lead to the notorious operational encirclement of the Severodonetsk grouping, which will simply lose the ability to re-supply through Artemovsk, and any retreat will entail serious losses.

7. Therefore, in the near future, on the one hand, we will observe positional battles in the area of ​​​​the Severodonetsk industrial zone and high-intensity battles north of Soledar.


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