d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Covid 19 Vaccine
Prev19569579589599601275Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 66,666
Joined: May 17 2005
Gold: 17,384.69
Jan 9 2022 02:30am




This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Jan 9 2022 02:31am
Member
Posts: 50,879
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 5,846.00
Jan 9 2022 02:40am
New data came in on Omicron
of the deaths "with Omicron" (a category which is dubious because it includes anyone who tests positive and dies of any reason within 90 days), we're seeing that 75%+ had at least four comorbidity factors. Not just being obese or elderly or immunocompromised, we're seeing 4+ comorbidities in 75% of cases, ie cancer, chronic kidney disease, chronic liver disease, chronic lung disease, dementia, diabetes, down syndrome, heart conditions, hiv, mental health, pregnancy, sickle cell, smoking, transplants, strokes, substance abuse, tuberculosis.

US as a whole has its excess deaths tracking downwards and nearing the point of normal levels
NYC has a predicted 1121 deaths this week compared to a 1140 average number of deaths this week.
This is despite the astronomical jump in confirmed cases, with current ~40000 cases in 7 day average now compared to ~2000 in delta and ~3000 in previous spikes. And despite hospitalizations rising above the last two spikes (not as much as the first)
Even under the incredibly misleading "deaths by any cause, if a covid positive test in past 3 months" metric, the chart has barely ticked upwards, indicating its not actually increasing deaths overall, just taking a larger % of deaths occurring anyway since so many people are infected now


The rational response to this data is to say that its good news and Omicron is very non-threatening, extremely non-deadly compared to previous variants
The irrational response is to be like twitter right now and scream at the CDC officials calling it good news and saying "#MyDisabledLifeIsWorthy" to champion the cause of wheelchair bound obese cancerous chain smoking pregnant hiv positive heroin addicted elderly downs people
Member
Posts: 64,763
Joined: Oct 25 2006
Gold: 0.00
Jan 9 2022 03:15am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 9 2022 02:40am)
New data came in on Omicron
of the deaths "with Omicron" (a category which is dubious because it includes anyone who tests positive and dies of any reason within 90 days), we're seeing that 75%+ had at least four comorbidity factors. Not just being obese or elderly or immunocompromised, we're seeing 4+ comorbidities in 75% of cases, ie cancer, chronic kidney disease, chronic liver disease, chronic lung disease, dementia, diabetes, down syndrome, heart conditions, hiv, mental health, pregnancy, sickle cell, smoking, transplants, strokes, substance abuse, tuberculosis.

US as a whole has its excess deaths tracking downwards and nearing the point of normal levels
NYC has a predicted 1121 deaths this week compared to a 1140 average number of deaths this week.
This is despite the astronomical jump in confirmed cases, with current ~40000 cases in 7 day average now compared to ~2000 in delta and ~3000 in previous spikes. And despite hospitalizations rising above the last two spikes (not as much as the first)
Even under the incredibly misleading "deaths by any cause, if a covid positive test in past 3 months" metric, the chart has barely ticked upwards, indicating its not actually increasing deaths overall, just taking a larger % of deaths occurring anyway since so many people are infected now


The rational response to this data is to say that its good news and Omicron is very non-threatening, extremely non-deadly compared to previous variants
The irrational response is to be like twitter right now and scream at the CDC officials calling it good news and saying "#MyDisabledLifeIsWorthy" to champion the cause of wheelchair bound obese cancerous chain smoking pregnant hiv positive heroin addicted elderly downs people


Citation needed for literally all of this.

and obligatory pointing out that we aren't even at the peak of the wave. The reason Covid in general has a low death rate is because we kept hospitals from being so over-filled that emergency treatment could get done... although many places were right on the edge for a long ass time. So the fact that we're not or may not be at the height has to be accounted for.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jan 9 2022 03:16am
Member
Posts: 10,973
Joined: May 30 2019
Gold: 167.69
Warn: 10%
Jan 9 2022 03:30am
came back from my holidays today.
was abroad for 25 days eating at restaurants, going to night clubs, drinking in pubs at evenings and cafes in the mornings.
not only that I haven't been asked for any covid certificate, but when I entered the first restaurant with my mask on, I was shocked seeing no1 including waiters is wearing any masks.
so for the remaining 25 days, I haven't put my mask once until I boarded a plane again to go back to Ireland.

it was my hometown I was in, 250k people city with 40% vaccination rate mostly among elderly. none of the people I hanged out with or was in contact with had a vaccine.
they're getting approx 500 cases per day which is the new record and ATH since the beginning of pandemic. deaths never went over 10 per day and mostly in this late december-early january period flow around 2-3 deaths per day.
got tested 4 times in this period as I had to show negative test in order to get some paperwork done in police and government offices, always negative ofc.

brought back hope to me seeing life can still be nice.
Member
Posts: 17,575
Joined: Mar 5 2016
Gold: 27.45
Warn: 40%
Jan 9 2022 03:49am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jan 9 2022 10:15am)
Citation needed for literally all of this.

and obligatory pointing out that we aren't even at the peak of the wave. The reason Covid in general has a low death rate is because we kept hospitals from being so over-filled that emergency treatment could get done... although many places were right on the edge for a long ass time. So the fact that we're not or may not be at the height has to be accounted for.


yeah .. what about preventive treatment though ? you dont use them right, and then oh surprise, its too late when fatties arrive at hospital

Quote (Skinned @ Jan 9 2022 12:12am)
I keep getting flu shots too.


world is doomed because of people like you
Member
Posts: 64,763
Joined: Oct 25 2006
Gold: 0.00
Jan 9 2022 03:54am
Quote (Melatonina @ Jan 9 2022 03:49am)
yeah .. what about preventive treatment though ? you dont use them right, and then oh surprise, its too late when fatties arrive at hospital

world is doomed because of people like you


:rofl:

yeah, if only we had a way to take some part of the virus and inject it into the body. That way you could get a natural immunity! And what if instead of doing that, we let the body code a very small amount of it, the same way a virus actually works after all! It'll work even better! Why aren't scientists doing this?
Member
Posts: 10,973
Joined: May 30 2019
Gold: 167.69
Warn: 10%
Jan 9 2022 03:57am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jan 9 2022 10:54am)
:rofl:

yeah, if only we had a way to take some part of the virus and inject it into the body. That way you could get a natural immunity! And what if instead of doing that, we let the body code a very small amount of it, the same way a virus actually works after all! It'll work even better! Why aren't scientists doing this?


didn't they try and failed, seeing numbers?
Member
Posts: 17,575
Joined: Mar 5 2016
Gold: 27.45
Warn: 40%
Jan 9 2022 03:57am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jan 9 2022 10:54am)
:rofl:

yeah, if only we had a way to take some part of the virus and inject it into the body. That way you could get a natural immunity! And what if instead of doing that, we let the body code a very small amount of it, the same way a virus actually works after all! It'll work even better! Why aren't scientists doing this?


If it's working why are you getting slammed again by the variants ?
chosing a mutative part of the virus, 3 or 4 proteins out of a few thousands, and wondering why it doesnt work vs variants lmao you failed at science bich
preventive treatments exist, natural ones even. something you are allergic to because you're lobotomized by "tv experts"

This post was edited by Melatonina on Jan 9 2022 03:58am
Member
Posts: 64,763
Joined: Oct 25 2006
Gold: 0.00
Jan 9 2022 04:02am
Quote (Melatonina @ Jan 9 2022 03:57am)
If it's working why are you getting slammed again by the variants ?
chosing a mutative part of the virus, 3 or 4 proteins out of a few thousands, and wondering why it doesnt work vs variants lmao you failed at science bich
preventive treatments exist, natural ones even. something you are allergic to because you're lobotomized by "tv experts"


Tell me how your homeopathic treatment is going to prevent things :thumbsup:

I encourage all anti vaxxers to take them and go intentionally contract covid to prove the effectiveness.
Member
Posts: 17,575
Joined: Mar 5 2016
Gold: 27.45
Warn: 40%
Jan 9 2022 04:09am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jan 9 2022 11:02am)
Tell me how your homeopathic treatment is going to prevent things :thumbsup:

I encourage all anti vaxxers to take them and go intentionally contract covid to prove the effectiveness.


what you say everytime is so stupid
artemisia not homeopathy
im trying to get omicron atm so i can prolonge my collabo pass but my serology blocks it :(
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev19569579589599601275Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll