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Jun 3 2022 01:40pm
Quote (Santara @ Jun 3 2022 01:38pm)
UsE mOrE rElIaBlE sOuRcEs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor#References

206 fucking sources. 1 for each bone in the human body, except for people with no goddamned spine.


Ukraine hates Russia because they were defeated during world war two, because they fought on the side of Hitler.

They have literally resurrected the Nazi movement from the dead just to carry on Hitler and Bandera's legacy and you are siding with them as they carry out crimes against their own citizens.

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Quote (chopstickz777 @ Jun 3 2022 10:39pm)
It has to be somebody you had strapped up to a chair. If you were in an active combat situation you would not be shitposting here


Why does it have to be somebody i strapped to a chair? rofl you are an imbecile kremlin troll goblin
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Jun 3 2022 01:41pm
Quote (Lvivz @ Jun 3 2022 01:40pm)
Why does it have to be somebody i strapped to a chair? rofl you are an imbecile kremlin troll goblin


So who did you kill and how then?

Come on man, inquiring and investigative minds want to know!
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Jun 3 2022 01:44pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Jun 3 2022 10:40pm)
Ukraine hates Russia because they were defeated during world war two, because they fought on the side of Hitler.

They have literally resurrected the Nazi movement from the dead just to carry on Hitler and Bandera's legacy and you are siding with them as they carry out crimes against their own citizens.


Oh really? It seems like Ukraine fought against Nazis and commies though for the most part of world war 2.
But here are USSR and Nazis occupying Poland together
dang


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Jun 3 2022 01:45pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 3 2022 02:50pm)
The thing is that the Ukrainians want to fight for their freedom and sovereignty, even if it means great sacrifice. Neither you, nor me, nor any other foreigner, has any right to tell them to just roll over and become Russia's bitch. Particularly not when the true motivation behind this "advice" is clearly not a genuine concern for dead civilians but rather that the war is inconvenient for us.

Your argument that "surrendering would have been (and perhaps still is) prudent since it minimizes the casualties" would only have merit if there was no chance whatsoever for Ukraine to retain any of its freedom and sovereignty by fighting; if Russia capturing all of Ukraine was the inevitable outcome of the war. This is evidently not the case.


The people in power that have everything to lose including their wealth, power and lives =/= the rest of the people of Ukraine. You think if all Ukrainians wanted to fight the gov't would have completely shut down the borders for males 18-60?

I see a ton of first hand footage of Ukrainian soldiers refusing to fight, refusing to go to the front, and so on. Many of these people are forced to the front even thought they aren't actual soldiers. In some cases they are threatened at gunpoint or prison if they try to leave and go back home even though they're not part of the formal military. Do you think a 40 year old that was forced to join the territorial defense forces in Lviv under the impression of defending his home who later finds out he's actually going to be told to go to the Donbas has the right to say no that's not what i signed up for?

Fighting for freedom is worth dying for when the alternative is extremely bad. You guys paint a picture that the latter scenario is some life or death slave like existence, when in reality the alternative is how life was in 2010.

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Jun 3 2022 01:46pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Jun 3 2022 10:41pm)
So who did you kill and how then?

Come on man, inquiring and investigative minds want to know!


Will tell you as soon as I kill 2 more russians pigs. Will write a memoir and sign it for ya.
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Jun 3 2022 01:49pm
Quote (Santara @ 3 Jun 2022 12:38)
UsE mOrE rElIaBlE sOuRcEs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor#References

206 fucking sources. 1 for each bone in the human body, except for people with no goddamned spine.


I did not say "more" sources. I said "reliable sources".

Wikipedia is not a reliable source. You could not pass a third grade history class using wiki as a source.

Don't get me wrong, we all like wiki for some things. But posting random links to the Holodomor accomplishes nothing, ever. You're claiming "Russia committed genocide" and that's false. The source you provided, which is a bullshit source, states very clearly that "genocide" as a description is under hot dispute. That, however is not relevant. What is relevant is that it was the Soviet Union responsible for the events of the Holodomor. The Soviet Union is not around. Russia, in it's current state, dates all the way back to the ripe old birthing age of 1992.

And you've just made the point better than anyone else could have. I've asked multiple times and NEVER received an answer: What has Russia done to deserve enemy status from the United States? The answer, as you just posted, is that they were part of the USSR. Therefore, I suppose we must murder them all. I will ask you though, since Ukraine was also USSR, shouldn't we murder all of them too? If that's what it takes to make an enemy, afterall...
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Quote (Lvivz @ Jun 3 2022 01:44pm)
Oh really? It seems like Ukraine fought against Nazis and commies though for the most part of world war 2.
But here are USSR and Nazis occupying Poland together
dang
https://live.staticflickr.com/8490/8251286438_8eeaa86929_b.jpg
https://media.iwm.org.uk/ciim5/531/754/large_000000.jpg
https://www.lrt.lt/img/2020/06/12/668896-486001-1287x836.jpg


I'm not defending the actions of Stalin.

However, it is a verifiable fact that Ukrainians engaged in genocide against the Poles (Bandera, duh) and fought against Russia in ww2.

It is also a verifiable fact that today's Ukrainians brand themselves with swastika tats and celebrate Bandera's life every year in a national holiday.

Care to explain why that is? Why do Ukrainians, especially those from Lviv identify so much with national socialism?
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Will tell you as soon as I kill 2 more russians pigs. Will write a memoir and sign it for ya.


Nah, you won't live long enough to write a memoir, don't worry.

Then again, if you are hiding in Lviv while your countrymen do all the fighting for you, you might be able to escape to Poland or Germany before they come for you ;)
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Jun 3 2022 10:45pm)
The people in power that have everything to lose including their wealth and lives =/= the rest of the people of Ukraine. You think if all Ukrainians wanted to fight the gov't would completely shut down the borders for males 18-60?

I see a ton of first hand footage of Ukrainian soldiers refusing to fight, refusing to go to the front, and so on. Many of these people are forced to the front even thought they aren't actual soldiers. In some cases they are threatened at gunpoint or prison if they try to leave and go back home even though they're not part of the formal military. Do you think a 40 year old that was forced to join the territorial defense forces in Lviv under the impression of defending his home who later finds out he's actually going to be told to go to the Donbas has the right to say no that's not what i signed up for?

Fighting for freedom is worth dying for when the alternative is extremely bad. You guys paint a picture that the latter scenario is some life or death slave like existence, when in reality the alternative is how life was in 2010.


Yeah a corrupt shit state, where politicians could drive drunk kill someone and never spend a single day in jail. Where police would stop you just to demand a bribe and create fake proposals to justify arrests, where investigative journalists into corruption of the government would disappear routinely.

And no, the scale and numbers of these incidents during 2010-2013 and after do not even come close to being the same. It was sheer banditry fueled by none other than putin and his kremlin regime.
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