The proposition I intended to put to you was a situation in which you could be under no doubts that your god had commanded you to murder the nearest family, including their newborn, as well as their dog. Imagine the parents were particularly outspoken against Israel's settlement policy. What do you do?

e/ Just to clear up and hopefully prevent any more dodging: of course this is a hypothetical scenario, both from your point of view (your god doesn't communicate with worthless humans anymore) and mine (god, by your definition, almost certainly doesn't exist).

This post was edited by GetOnYourKnees on Jan 10 2017 09:01pm

And you call atheists arrogant when you would disobey God for not giving you a satisfactory answer.

It's far more arrogant to disobey God because he doesn't give an answer you like, when you already know full well you aren't meant to comprehend his decisions, than to not obey a God you don't think exists.

Thou wanted to know what thy would doeth, I believeth in challenging the word if it doesn't make sense at least at face value. If thy challengeth thine word then it must provide a satisfactory answer and thus not only is thy faith tested but it is also strengthened. If thy blindly accept everything at face value then thy am brainwashed and weak. Then what happens when thy eventually get challenged by thee? Thy would have no answer as to what thy believeth in or why thy do the things that thy do. Life will get hard and thy would crumble to the ground. Yet if thy challengeth the word and receiveth a satisfactory answer then not only can thy analyse and think for thyself but if thy agree then thy will be acting based on thy belief system which is far more powerful than brainwashing.

Thou will also knoweth that by thy doing this in that thy will think and act thy own thoughts, hence thy am not brainwashed as some people are by their religion. Thy cannot say the same about thee.



Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves."

Does't thou sayeth that thy shouldn't be on the lookout for ravenous wolves?

I don't think a glowing sphere is a prophet.

Ok. So the light tells you 'This child shall grow up to be the worst dictator the world has ever known. He shall kill and enslave billions and the world will forever be darker for his reign.'

So do you now kill the child?

Kill one in order to save the billions. The people in the here and now maybe would not know nor would they appreciate the deed.
Now I will have justification for the command.
I can say and know that I killed the next Hitler in the making.
God and I will know the truth and the truth will comfort me till the day I die. The truth is, I didn't kill one person when in fact I saved billions.

It does not matter what the people think, what matters is what God thinks.
The Lord's will shall be done.

in fact you would have both
However what if the light was only an illusion?
How do you know?

actually that was wrong
you would not have
this scenario is only possible if the light is an illusion
god gives us free choice (if he exists and we can trust what the bible sais) so basically you dont know what the kid will do
that actually means you have just murdered a possible innocent person

Then that defeats the purpose of the question doesn't it? The scenario is based on the fact that it was indeed God almighty that gave the command. I wouldn't blindly do that kind of order without some kind of justification.

I also know because I use scripture as my weapon. Does this being that comes before me and claims to bear the name of God uphold with what The Bible says? The standard is that they do not break even one verse of scripture otherwise they are not of God. That is how I know.

If the message brought to me were not of God almighty then I would know. If it were then his will shall be done, his name will be glorified as well. I would be focusing on the fact that I had saved billions of people from slavery and death. The Lord sent a messenger and the message was delivered.

On a side note, I thought you were all about giving love advice in the Love Line? What could you possibly be doing here in PaRD with these kind of discussions?

yes I would question God's will to his face. I often fight with God. We do skandenberg, chess, starcraft2, you name it. I dare him to beat me. He always wins, of course. But I emerge stronger, better