Quote (IceMage @ 22 Jun 2021 23:07)

In this day's episode of "Liz Cheney Won't Move On"...

https://twitter.com/allahpundit/status/1407387840640655363

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 22 2021 05:21pm)

Trump is a moron who can't cope with his loss and fails to move on, and it's hurting his party. Fine. But that's not an argument for why the party should keep someone in party leadership who exhibits similarly party-harming behavior. The party at large has decided that it wants to draw as little attention to Trump's temper tantrums as possible. Cheney was actively and consciously undermining this strategy, and that's why she got booted.

Quote (IceMage @ 23 Jun 2021 01:08)

Sure, that's why the party replaced her with Elise Stefanik, someone known for not promoting Trump's stolen election nonsense. :rolleyes:

And really the point of the "Liz Cheney won't move on" meme is to highlight how Trump is really the one who won't move on. Liz Cheney just wasn't willing to continually keep her mouth shut about the threat to democracy that is Donald Trump's stolen election lies. You admit this, understood, but there's a lot of right-wingers who do not.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 22 2021 07:49pm)

The point is that someone like Elise Stefanik doesnt persistently make headlines in national media with her support for Trump's antics. This support of hers is largely limited to the GOP ecosystem and not making any waves outside of it. By contrast, a member of the GOP leadership in Congress constantly appearing on the type of media which is consumed by independents/moderates/suburban swing voters, saying that the leader of her own party is a threat to democracy - that's just hugely harmful to the party and an absolute no-go.

What it comes down to is a strategic disagreement: Cheney is willing to nuke the short-term electoral prospects of her own party in order to get rid of Trump, to purge the party from his influence, while the overwhelming majority of the GOP is not willing to do that - even those who are 100% done with Trump (like, e.g., McConnell). And in spite of being on the losing side of this strategic disagreement, Cheney kept pushing her approach of going after Trump in deliberately public fashion, whatever the cost to her party. This is essentially what "Cheney won't move on" means.

Quote (excellence @ Jun 22 2021 07:53pm)

why is this thread so popular still. oh right better to cry here than to discuss why the current administration lets russia have a gas pipeline to germany in exchange for nothing, while banning pipelines or letting our pipelines get hacked :lol:

Quote (IceMage @ 22 Jun 2021 19:54)

I have no interest in continuing the discussion about Cheney and Trump. But your point which I responded to, which is that the Republican party wants to avoid drawing attention to Trump's election lies, is not entirely true, because they put Stefanik in that position. Sure, Stefanik enabling and promoting his lies doesn't draw much attention because at this point it's MAGA orthodoxy, and it's not as appealing to the fact-based media as a prominent Republican opposing the lies, but nevertheless, they could've put someone in there who has more credibility on the "stop the steal" nonsense.

Quote (excellence @ 23 Jun 2021 01:53)

why is this thread so popular still. oh right better to cry here than to discuss why the current administration lets russia have a gas pipeline to germany in exchange for nothing, while banning pipelines or letting our pipelines get hacked :lol:

Quote (IceMage @ 22 Jun 2021 19:56)

Why is the former Republican president, the most popular Republican, and the head of a personality cult's thread still getting so much traction on a political forum, asks the boring troll.