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Jan 5 2022 06:02pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 5 2022 05:48pm)
From what I know, there's typically a 7-10 day delay between infection and hospitalization, so the quarantined employees who got infected on day X should be coming back while the patients who also got infected on day X are still hitting the waiting rooms and long before they hit the ICU. If the Omicron wave peaks within roughly 4 weeks like it did in South Africa and Namibia, things should work out. Also, most healthcare workers should get exposed early on during a surge, so even if the wave persists for more than 4 weeks, the bulk of them should get immunized early on in the wave and then be available during the later, more strained weeks.


That's the ideal, but reality rarely works out that cleanly.

We're already near max capacity on beds. So even if it isn't at the peak, it's at an important enough time that it will get really bad and make the peak far worse when it does come.

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That's the ideal, but reality rarely works out that cleanly.

We're already near max capacity on beds. So even if it isn't at the peak, it's at an important enough time that it will get really bad and make the peak far worse when it does come.


Alright, that's a really good point... should have thought of that myself tbh.
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Just learned that the hospital I work for has over 1000 employees out because of Covid symptoms.

They're 100% vaccinated or they were fired in September.

I think this shit is gonna get real bad real soon...


To be fair those who filled for religious exemption (nurses and pcts/Cnas are biggest demographics here) are left out of that statistic

Legally hospitals don’t have to report the religious exemptions

We are also “100% vaccinated” but I know for a fact our neurosurgery floor is like 40% unvax

This was back in Nov anyway, maybe vax rates slightly improved but I doubt by much

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Alright, that's a really good point... should have thought of that myself tbh.


hospital aren’t near capacity on physical “beds” or “rooms”

They don’t have staff so there’s literally hundreds of “beds” and “rooms” locked off in big hospitals because all the nurses and doctors are quitting. Or if a large hospital happens to actually be full, its because neighboring hospitals had to shut down the entire hospital or units due to no doctors or nurses , so they’re taking those hospital’s remaining staff and patients

Most hospitals have completely shut down some of their ICU’s and put that staff in other units. So when the news also says ICU’s are near max capacity , it’s only because they shut down entire 20+ bed ICU’s making them have a much lower overall capacity

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hospital aren’t near capacity on physical “beds” or “rooms”

They don’t have staff so there’s literally hundreds of “beds” and “rooms” locked off in big hospitals because all the nurses and doctors are quitting. Or if a large hospital happens to actually be full, its because neighboring hospitals had to shut down the entire hospital or units due to no doctors or nurses , so they’re taking those hospital’s remaining staff and patients

Most hospitals have completely shut down some of their ICU’s and put that staff in other units. So when the news also says ICU’s are near max capacity , it’s only because they shut down entire 20+ bed ICU’s making them have a much lower overall capacity



that's wonderful to perceive, can only imagine what a Docktore does w/ all that human blood drawn in the guise of testing under his/her authority.
thats right docktore, because they 'see' tear or what isotonic salt or halogenic compounds do to your pineal gland when they draw blood then grossly salt the brain intravenously,
almost like you can no longer perceive the problem but when you recover from the ritual you end up right back to where you started. Heard that vicious cycle makes them $$$, repeat customers.


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Quote (Bazi @ 6 Jan 2022 02:02)
To be fair those who filled for religious exemption (nurses and pcts/Cnas are biggest demographics here) are left out of that statistic

Legally hospitals don’t have to report the religious exemptions

We are also “100% vaccinated” but I know for a fact our neurosurgery floor is like 40% unvax

This was back in Nov anyway, maybe vax rates slightly improved but I doubt by much


Is that a strange outlier? Whenever I read on this issue, journalists or the interviewed experts always stress that vaccination rates are way above average among healthcare workers and doctors. ;)





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hospital aren’t near capacity on physical “beds” or “rooms”

They don’t have staff so there’s literally hundreds of “beds” and “rooms” locked off in big hospitals because all the nurses and doctors are quitting. Or if a large hospital happens to actually be full, its because neighboring hospitals had to shut down the entire hospital or units due to no doctors or nurses , so they’re taking those hospital’s remaining staff and patients

Most hospitals have completely shut down some of their ICU’s and put that staff in other units. So when the news also says ICU’s are near max capacity , it’s only because they shut down entire 20+ bed ICU’s making them have a much lower overall capacity

If certain hospitals are at the capacity limit implied by their staffing, they are at their capacity limit, period. Empty beds for which you have no doctors and nurses are useless. If beds were the bottleneck, the military could erect tens of thousands of camp beds in no time.

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Jan 5 2022 11:48pm
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Is that a strange outlier? Whenever I read on this issue, journalists or the interviewed experts always stress that vaccination rates are way above average among healthcare workers and doctors. ;)






If certain hospitals are at the capacity limit implied by their staffing, they are at their capacity limit, period. Empty beds for which you have no doctors and nurses are useless. If beds were the bottleneck, the military could erect tens of thousands of camp beds in no time.



Duh lol? Just saying the way the news words it , it scares people into thinking every hospital is stuffed with people with only covid which makes it seem way worse than it is. When in reality hospitals have about the same or less patients than they normally would in other years.
side note, Total Deaths in 2020 and 2021 was an average increase, in fact it was lower than the increase in total deaths we had from 2014 to 2015, and 2016 to 2017.
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Duh lol? Just saying the way the news words it , it scares people into thinking every hospital is stuffed with people with only covid which makes it seem way worse than it is. When in reality hospitals have about the same or less patients than they normally would in other years.
side note, Total Deaths in 2020 and 2021 was an average increase, in fact it was lower than the increase in total deaths we had from 2014 to 2015, and 2016 to 2017.


The U.S. has not had a decrease in total deaths since 2008, and the death rate went up by 17% in 2020.

The number of patients being average is a lie.

Wherever you're getting your information is faulty.

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The U.S. has not had a decrease in total deaths since 2008, and the death rate went up by 17% in 2020.

The number of patients being average is a lie.

Wherever you're getting your information is faulty.


17% lmao what kinda made up bs is that.
I never said the total death rate decreased lmao?. It goes up roughly 1% per year and it only went up 1% in 2020 and 2021 just like every other year, you can find that on any legitimate total death toll tracking website that isn’t throwing covid in your face.

The only reason you’d see more patients this year in a hospital is because the surrounding hospitals are closed or not accepting patients due to staffing so they end up at your hospital
But in average total population of patients in USA , theres not more people in the hospital than other years.
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