Quote (ofthevoid @ 3 Jun 2022 20:33)
Naa I support peace and want the least amount of people to die. Whether the corrupt gov't in charge is pro west or pro east is of minimal importance. In an ideal world, Russia never invades or they leave with their tail between their legs. That didn't happen and isn't happening, instead we get a war that's intensifying, which is something some of us said would happen months ago. At this point tens of thousand of Ukrainian are dead and by the looks of it, it'll get to 6 figures before this war ends and probably 10+ million displaced.
Defending one self is synonymous with war here. This notion that if Ukraine stops the fighting or would of never fought that somehow all Ukrainians will be enslaved, raped, killed is absolute bullshit. It's bullshit to anyone that has actually been to the country and understands the demographics and history. The country would of looked like it did 10-15 years ago largely.
The thing is that the Ukrainians
want to fight for their freedom and sovereignty, even if it means great sacrifice. Neither you, nor me, nor any other foreigner, has any right to tell them to just roll over and become Russia's bitch. Particularly not when the true motivation behind this "advice" is clearly not a genuine concern for dead civilians but rather that the war is inconvenient for us.
Your argument that "surrendering would have been (and perhaps still is) prudent since it minimizes the casualties" would only have merit if there was no chance whatsoever for Ukraine to retain any of its freedom and sovereignty by fighting; if Russia capturing all of Ukraine was the inevitable outcome of the war. This is evidently not the case.
This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 3 2022 12:51pm