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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 5 Jan 2022 22:58)
Well, masks obviously have at the very least a marginal positive effect, can't be otherwise. The big question, however, is if they truly make all that much of a difference when people are spending a long time in crowded indoor settings, many of them not wearing their masks properly, many of them infected (given the prevalence we're seeing with omicron). Generally speaking, studies show that the relative risk reduction provided by masks decreases the more virus is circulating in the air, so if you have a fully seated indoor arena or a full nightclub, it's highly doubtful that mask-wearing will be able to make a difference.


Supermarkets ? There's alot of seniors in there sometimes, they look fucking scared lol

So still "it doesn't change much things" ?

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 5 2022 05:58pm)
Well, masks obviously have at the very least a marginal positive effect, can't be otherwise. The big question, however, is if they truly make all that much of a difference when people are spending a long time in crowded indoor settings, many of them not wearing their masks properly, many of them infected (given the prevalence we're seeing with omicron). Generally speaking, studies show that the relative risk reduction provided by masks decreases the more virus is circulating in the air, so if you have a fully seated indoor arena or a full nightclub, it's highly doubtful that mask-wearing will be able to make a difference.


Everyone I know is getting Omicron regardless of mask. The only people I know who haven't gotten it yet are people who have received the booster. Even people who are vaccinated and are very careful have gotten it. We've gotten to a truly Kafka moment to be honest because we aren't testing staff who have been exposed because too many staff are out right now. So we have an exposure on my geriatric unit and we tested all the patients but not the staff even though it had to come from the staff. I'm working the unit because the other case manager has covid too. Meanwhile at home my wife and kid who are vaccinated and pretty careful also have covid, and I'm kissing her and sleeping in the same bed as her, but I feel like a million bucks personally because of the booster. They got it prior to Christmas and I've never developed symptoms. At least the booster works. But the booster itself made some people sick so what do you do?

I've been vaccinated for anthrax and who knows what else in the army. I used drugs a long time. I smoked cigs for awhile. I've eaten fast food. This vax isn't gonna hurt me lol.

But double vaxxed and PPE peeps are still getting it. Its very mild and it isn't a slow burn like Delta was.

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Just learned that the hospital I work for has over 1000 employees out because of Covid symptoms.

They're 100% vaccinated or they were fired in September.

I think this shit is gonna get real bad real soon...
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Just learned that the hospital I work for has over 1000 employees out because of Covid symptoms.

They're 100% vaccinated or they were fired in September.

I think this shit is gonna get real bad real soon...


We ran out of rapid tests today, we have to send em out and wait 8 hours now lol. We won't even be able to move people places.
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Quote (Skinned @ 6 Jan 2022 00:02)
Everyone I know is getting Omicron regardless of mask. The only people I know who haven't gotten it yet are people who have received the booster. Even people who are vaccinated and are very careful have gotten it. We've gotten to a truly Kafka moment to be honest because we aren't testing staff who have been exposed because too many staff are out right now. So we have an exposure on my geriatric unit and we tested all the patients but not the staff even though it had to come from the staff. I'm working the unit because the other case manager has covid too. Meanwhile at home my wife and kid who are vaccinated and pretty careful also have covid, and I'm kissing her and sleeping in the same bed as her, but I feel like a million bucks personally because of the booster. They got it prior to Christmas and I've never developed symptoms. At least the booster works. But the booster itself made some people sick so what do you do?

I've been vaccinated for anthrax and who knows what else in the army. I used drugs a long time. I smoked cigs for awhile. I've eaten fast food. This vax isn't gonna hurt me lol.

But double vaxxed and PPE peeps are still getting it. Its very mild and it isn't a slow burn like Delta was.

Yikes, given the age gradient of covid risk, geriatric units are the last place I would be skimping on the testing or quarantine protocols.

But yeah, I don't get the people who are eating insanely processed junk food every day, but are scared of the effect the vax would have on their oh-so-pristine bodies lol.
I got my booster the weekend before Christmas, felt like shit for an entire day (symptoms like on the first day of an influenza), but the next morning, after an unusually long sleep, I was back at 100%. *shrug*




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Just learned that the hospital I work for has over 1000 employees out because of Covid symptoms.

They're 100% vaccinated or they were fired in September.

I think this shit is gonna get real bad real soon...


Which percentage was boostered? Data from pretty much everywhere is showing that single- or double-dose vaccinations, as well as prior infections, do jack shit at preventing infection with Omicron. Fresh boosters are showing a (still quite underwhelming, plus quickly waning) 75% efficacy against infection. (Source: a preliminary study cited on the twitter feed of Germany's Secretary of Health, who used to be a professor for public health and epidemiology before becoming a politician, so quite legit info; can look up the link to the study if you want.)


The bottom line is really simple imho: containment of Omicron seems impossible without China-style gigalockdowns, even a mere mitigation would require quite harsh lockdowns before Omicron-specific vaccines become available - so most governments seem to let it rip and focus on protecting critical infrastructure. The silver lining is that the bulk of these 1000 employees should be back in 1-2 weeks and then be immune from infection for quite some months. Staffing shortages due to quarantines should be a temporary, logistical problem, not a long-term public health issue.


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Which percentage was boostered? Data from pretty much everywhere is showing that single- or double-dose vaccinations, as well as prior infections, do jack shit at preventing infection with Omicron. Fresh boosters are showing a (still quite underwhelming, plus quickly waning) 75% efficacy against infection. (Source: a preliminary study cited on the twitter feed of Germany's Secretary of Health, who used to be a professor for public health and epidemiology before becoming a politician, so quite legit info; can look up the link to the study if you want.)


The bottom line is really simple imho: containment of Omicron seems impossible without China-style gigalockdowns, even a mere mitigation would require quite harsh lockdowns before Omicron-specific vaccines become available - so most governments seem to let it rip and focus on protecting critical infrastructure. The silver lining is that the bulk of these 1000 employees should be back in 1-2 weeks and then be immune from infection for quite some months. Staffing shortages due to quarantines should be a temporary, logistical problem, not a long-term public health issue.


It's a massive problem if that 1-2 weeks also corresponds to prime-time of infections with the rest of the community.
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Jan 5 2022 05:28pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 5 2022 06:22pm)
Yikes, given the age gradient of covid risk, geriatric units are the last place I would be skimping on the testing or quarantine protocols.

But yeah, I don't get the people who are eating insanely processed junk food every day, but are scared of the effect the vax would have on their oh-so-pristine bodies lol.
I got my booster the weekend before Christmas, felt like shit for an entire day (symptoms like on the first day of an influenza), but the next morning, after an unusually long sleep, I was back at 100%. *shrug*






Which percentage was boostered? Data from pretty much everywhere is showing that single- or double-dose vaccinations, as well as prior infections, do jack shit at preventing infection with Omicron. Fresh boosters are showing a (still quite underwhelming, plus quickly waning) 75% efficacy against infection. (Source: a preliminary study cited on the twitter feed of Germany's Secretary of Health, who used to be a professor for public health and epidemiology before becoming a politician, so quite legit info; can look up the link to the study if you want.)


The bottom line is really simple imho: containment of Omicron seems impossible without China-style gigalockdowns, even a mere mitigation would require quite harsh lockdowns before Omicron-specific vaccines become available - so most governments seem to let it rip and focus on protecting critical infrastructure. The silver lining is that the bulk of these 1000 employees should be back in 1-2 weeks and then be immune from infection for quite some months. Staffing shortages due to quarantines should be a temporary, logistical problem, not a long-term public health issue.


Protocol on geri unit: nobody comes or goes, test everyone, if one person is positive send him to where the positive people are, if more than one are positive send the negative out and open another hot unit.

Not our first rodeo.

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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 6 Jan 2022 00:26)
It's a massive problem if that 1-2 weeks also corresponds to prime-time of infections with the rest of the community.


From what I know, there's typically a 7-10 day delay between infection and hospitalization, so the quarantined employees who got infected on day X should be coming back while the patients who also got infected on day X are still hitting the waiting rooms and long before they hit the ICU. If the Omicron wave peaks within roughly 4 weeks like it did in South Africa and Namibia, things should work out. Also, most healthcare workers should get exposed early on during a surge, so even if the wave persists for more than 4 weeks, the bulk of them should get immunized early on in the wave and then be available during the later, more strained weeks.

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From what I know, there's typically a 7-10 day delay between infection and hospitalization, so the quarantined employees who got infected on day X should be coming back before the patients who also got infected on day X hit the waiting rooms, let alone the ICU. If the Omicron wave peaks within roughly 4 weeks like it did in South Africa and Namibia, things should work out. Also, most healthcare workers should get exposed early on during a surge, so even if the wave persists for more than 4 weeks, the bulk of them should get immunized early on in the wave and then be available during the later, more strained weeks.


maybe blacks are just naturally resistant did you ever think of that?
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 5 Jan 2022 23:48)
From what I know, there's typically a 7-10 day delay between infection and hospitalization, so the quarantined employees who got infected on day X should be coming back while the patients who also got infected on day X are still hitting the waiting rooms and long before they hit the ICU. If the Omicron wave peaks within roughly 4 weeks like it did in South Africa and Namibia, things should work out. Also, most healthcare workers should get exposed early on during a surge, so even if the wave persists for more than 4 weeks, the bulk of them should get immunized early on in the wave and then be available during the later, more strained weeks.


Quote (proccy @ 5 Jan 2022 23:49)
maybe blacks are just naturally resistant did you ever think of that?


check age pyramid, obesity, but i am not sure for aids.

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