Quote (Santara @ 3 Jun 2022 08:52)
Non-nuclear missiles in Europe are not an existential threat to Russia's existence. Nuclear missiles being stationed nearby is the concern. Turkey houses some ancient nuclear bombs, and bombers can be shot down pretty easily by Russia.
Wait, so you're saying that if I started firing barrages of napalm warheads into the major cities of the east coast, that wouldn't be an existential crisis?
I'm curious here, I want you to have your head and not feel discouraged. Please, share more of this wisdom with us, because in all the talks about Russia, NATO, and all related matters that I've had since the USSR fell, this is the first time, in what, 30 years? Anyone has made that claim.
Quote (said_aouita @ 3 Jun 2022 08:46)
Hopefully Biden gifting the advanced long range missiles to Ukraine, it upsets Putin enough to use nuclear weapons against NATO countries. Fuck it. Let's get on with it.
Technically they aren't long range. ~180 miles, right? That's mid-range. Unless even larger capabilities have been approved while I wasn't paying attention, which is always possible.
Quote (bogie160 @ 3 Jun 2022 08:54)
A few things.
1) Whether or not every country outside of NATO decided to side against the United States is irrelevant to what we're discussing. A nuclear attack by Russia on NATO would invite a retaliatory nuclear attack on Russia. Russia cannot win a conventional war with the United States, and trying to win a nuclear war against three nuclear powers is not a conflict from which you can emerge victorious.
2) Japan is a firm US ally both in terms of history and via necessity. The Chinese hate them, and the Japanese hate the Chinese back.
3) In your hypothetical, China would be destroyed.
1. Retaliatory attack from whom? The likelihood any targeted nation could launch such an attack is not high. The minor detail everyone forgets is that along with the explosion, fallout, etc. each nuclear detonation releases a high level EMP. Ironically, the very targeting systems of any nuke that wouldn't have to be flown in would be fried. So it's back down to nations like the US and China. Your belief that the Biden administration would launch, when it would almost certainly get him thrown out of the whitehouse, and lose democrats most of their seats at every level, is rather naΓ―ve. Assuming conventional warfare, no American would support a conventional war against Russia when they haven't struck us first. And no American would believe anything Biden said about "It's about the troops" after both Afghanistan and Benghazi, not to mention how the National Guard Troops were mistreated in DC after the inauguration.
2. Japan wouldn't even think of touching Russia unless China supported it. If the US truly engages Russia, the likelihood of a Chinese takeover of Japan and Taiwan both goes through the roof, and Australia would need to ready it's defenses. China hasn't been quiet about their ambitions, and hostilities with Russia do NOT operate in a vacuum.
3. Wait wait, so now you're saying that the US is so excessively badass that we are going to defeat Russia without using nukes, destroy China as well... Seems to me somebody's been drinking the coolaid. We can't even prevent Portland from rioting for a year straight, and you believe we're going to win a ground war against a nation that has never lost a ground war on it's own soil, and another war with a nation with 1.5 billion people and some of the best new military tech on the planet? Tell us more!
Quote (said_aouita @ 3 Jun 2022 09:25)
Russia's military is so incompetent, the USA's Boy Scouts could defeat them.
Given the United States military lost to a bunch of goat fuckers who wear their laundry on their heads armed with little more than AK's after 20 years, I'm glad you pointed to the Boy Scouts. They'd stand a better chance.
This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jun 3 2022 10:49am