I dont think its that complicated, just listen to what the doctors say and use some of your own judgement looking at the data. All data to date indicates that the vaccines are safer by several orders or magnitude than catching the coronavirus - and im actually more concerned with the lasting kidney problems, not beating covid itself which im very likely to do.

Regarding specific scientists id look at consensus over fringe outliers.

If doctors told you to drink hemlock and had lots of data supporting you should, would you do it?

I drank what?
-Socrates

This post was edited by sirthom on Jan 4 2022 09:57am

dont look at the cancelled people look at the "ministry of truth" and their fantastic track record
Unmasking Dr. Fauci
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jRpXEs1j18Ig/

look at the dr fraudie blinking at 02:10
Remember when they told us the Covid Vaccines were 100% effective? Well, 99%... 98%... 90%.... 80%..
https://www.bitchute.com/video/skQgvyIBMIk2/


This post was edited by TiStuff on Jan 4 2022 09:59am

All the data to date indicates the vaccines are orders of magnitude safer than the previous forms of covid- not necessarily when compared to Omicron, which is proving to be so inconsequential.
The comparison I've heard has been previous covid strains being about 5x deadlier than the seasonal flu to the fat/elderly/immunocompromised, while less dangerous to young children than the seasonal cold. While the covid vaccine is about as dangerous as over the counter aspirin, incredibly rare for it to have serious side effects or complications but it can happen. Now the new omicron strain is proving to be at most what, 1/5th as deadly as the seasonal cold? Its an upper respiratory infection that appears incapable of actually reaching the lungs, making it almost entirely non-threatening in anyone, not even the 90 year olds, bubble boys and morbidly obese, let alone the young, healthy and children.


The argument for vaccine mandates in the past went that vaccine risks were obviously outweighed by the benefits in survivability for vulnerable adults, and even among the healthy where risks from covid were minimal it could be justified as stopping the spread that could reach the vulnerable. Now the new harmless variant is quickly eradicating the deadly variants and the data is in and vaccines do nothing to stop the spread. So the arguments that supported vaccine mandates in the first place have gotten hollowed out

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jan 4 2022 10:06am

I was reading about omicron being less deadly a while ago. Are you saying you'd rather catch omicron than take either of the first 2 vaccine shots?

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Catching Omicron without a vaccine has the same profile of death rates as catching Delta with a vaccine. You're rolling the dice though, because all three variants are still active though. However, Omicron is going to become the most common by April because it is the most transmissible.

omicron same severity to unvax if you’re hospitalized, but hospitalization rate is less

2 vax + booster - mild to no symptoms.

Delta had 5-15% hospitalization rate with vax’d (primarily elderly or immunosuppressed)

Omicron closer to 5% hospitalization rate vax’d (also elderly and immunosuppressed)

Henry Ford doing a large trial on omicron vax vs unvax hospitalization rates, hospitalization length, Covid complications , etc. probly a good month before that Data is out tho

To say omicron is inconsequential as someone above said is laughable. There are still a large amount of unvax’d people and although overall more benign, based on sheer level of transmissibility you are seeing a lot of hospitalizations.

Go to your local ER and enjoy a 6 hour wait, for any medical problem or issue.

This post was edited by Bazi on Jan 4 2022 11:03am

I don't understand why hospitals are admitting so many. Aren't most of the Omicron treatments capable of being delivered at home?

Why either instead of all of the above? If omicron is as non-deadly as the data suggests and yet gives you strong immune response against the deadly variants- which also stops their spread- that's a pretty good argument for it





Hospitalization rates and waiting times aren't a good indicator, especially given the competing issues of large amounts of asymptomatic / non-serious cases at hospitals being reported at the same time as hospitals being short staffed due to employees on covid quarantine from omicron / fired due to no vaccination.

Since the beginning of the pandemic I've said that the excess death rate is the only measure that's actually grounded in hard data you can trust. The hospitalization rates, reported related deaths, anecdotal evidence, etc etc are all subject to bias and misrepresentation and rarely show causal relationships, like NY reporting any death with a covid positive test in the past 90 days. When the covid pandemic hit the first spike, the excess deaths at national, state and local levels suddenly skyrocketed- it was clear people were dying from covid en masse. But now omicron is spreading like wildfire with several times the size of that surge, and excess deaths haven't even budged. South Africa has already finished its wave of omicron and there's no excess deaths at all from it, reported deaths at their lowest level since the pandemic began.

There's no way that this data can be sold to say that omicron is 1/3 as deadly as previous variants. If it was 1/3 as deadly and yet affecting 5x as many people in NYC, we'd see a huge number of deaths in NYC with 20% of the state unvaccinated. It would be immediately statistically identifiable. Right now, the effects of Omicron are so mild that its indistinguishable from background noise

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jan 4 2022 12:03pm

blah blah forget the guy that works in the medical field.
My google search is more accurate!!