The United States would launch a retaliatory nuclear strike if NATO bases (containing American troops!) were attacked by Russian nuclear arms. If Russia wants to trade Warsaw for Moscow, more power to them. The situation would escalate and every major population center in Russia would end up destroyed. The only way out would be the immediate and unconditional surrender of the Russian military.

We're talking about Russia using nukes because an authoritarian Russian regime is trying to make up lost ground by reclaiming overlordship over its near abroad. We have no reason to allow that. Russia needs to accept, as the British did, its lesser status in the world today. If not to us, then to China. It's over for them.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Jun 3 2022 09:27am

NATO should be gone, but that doesn't deal with reality: it exists, and a plethora of nations that suffered under Soviet dominance want to be protected from having to live under it again. And I don't blame them.

We don't have mid range missile installations in Europe (or even short range). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-Range_Nuclear_Forces_Treaty



What exactly is it you think "I'm fine with?" Provide quotes by me to support it. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

Russia needs to accept its lesser status in the world?

How can any sane person talk like this and expect there to be good will between nations and peace in the world.

nato/western world ignoring what russia say?
and propaganda tv saying „putin dont want talk“

theres enoguh videos where putin say that...
for example i remember putin talking in german government about that in 2001. hes exactly saying what the problems with nato are and that russia want be partners with us, not playing against us.

people do ignore that fact. like people ignore the iraq, afghanistan, lybia, syria etc wars. they just ignore motherfucker US invading countrys for oil. they just ignore that fact and think they doing right.

USA = warmonging scammers pretending doing right while brainwashing their people, which shoot themselfs for shit.

You really have no idea what you're talking, you're the personification of the simp educated by the idiot box on this issue. I've been to Ukraine half a dozen times prior to this war. Both before and after 2014. Know people both in Russia and Ukraine. What I wanted is for that world not to be turned into a war zone, meanwhile people like you that have no ties to it have been programmed to be a neocon and supporting wars, interventions all over the world. In the 60s liberals were staunchly anti-war today you guys are the biggest cheerleaders for it.

So Chechnya was in UN.

Russia wants to be treated as a great power. It's unfortunate that they're not anymore, and they have themselves to blame. "Goodwill" in this case is the pretense that Russia deserves respect and authority to which it almost certainly isn't due.

They've brought it up once or twice. The real answer is that NATO gives Europe and the US enough clout to impose rules on others they themselves do not follow. No program lasts nearly as long as a temporary government program that gives small minded politicians extreme power.



So wait, back up a second. You're saying that regional conflicts between Russia and former Soviet Bloc nations merit mid range missile systems being pointed at Moscow from all bordering nations? Interesting. So this list isn't exhaustive, and only lists "major" conflicts, which Ukraine would not yet technically qualify as were it the US engaging: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

Having reviewed the list, tell me, how many weapon systems should be pointing at DC right now?



Oh, right, we'd respond because of our Troops. Just like we did in Benghazi? Get real. It's more likely we'd drone strike some poor goat herder on Russia's Eastern border and his poor family, claim it was Putin, and call it a day. Shit, if it can work in Afghanistan, why not vs Russia?

Pretending like troops matter to the politicians currently in power is so fucking laughable.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jun 3 2022 09:40am

Life isn't fair. Didn't your mother ever tell you that?

The United States had missiles in Turkey during the Cold War, and the Russians had to deal with it. They tried to place missiles in Cuba, and the United States threatened global thermonuclear war.

you got no honor or respect. so i bet youre fine with paying for a simple fuck and feel proud if it.