It's like there's some collective amnesia in the world when it comes these type of issues. Rules for thee but not for me. No introspection at all. I genuinely think at least on a very subconscious level it has to do with the colonial superiority mindset. The English speaking western world is entitled to things and dominions over other parts of the world but if some other power tries to upset that hegemony it's not be accepted. Our populations have been so masterfully conditioned to it too.

"[Violence]... The supreme authority from which all other authority is derived."

That is a very very bold statement. Any end to Russia as an ethnic or cultural bloc requires that they lose. And frankly, I'm not entirely convinced they would. If China stays neutral it's 50/50. If China intervenes then the likelihood is whoever they side with wins.

Russia has the nuclear arsenal to hit every single US base and weapons facility in Europe, along with nuking every major city in Europe. And without it's European allies to back the logistics, America is not capable of fielding a war against Russia.

The US may provide the weaponry, we may even provide the troops. But on the grand geopolitical stage, we're the smallest player when it comes to Russia. It all boils down to Europe. And right now Europe is divided on the Russia/Ukraine concern. The only thing that has been made absolutely clear is that the west does not respect Russia, does not want Russia on the world stage, seeks to isolate Russia, and the moment they decide Russia has broken some fictitious rule the west doesn't itself follow, Russia will be penalized.

Add to that the mass targeting of ethnic Russians by the government of Ukraine and their enforces, Asov, and the complete indifference with which the west views these actions, and you act as though an end to Russia as an ethnic/cultural block isn't already approaching.

Russia's back is firmly against the wall. I sincerely hope they don't opt for any form of nuclear warfare. But to a point, if they did, could you sincerely blame them?

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jun 3 2022 09:07am

i bet youre fine with paying money for a fuck

and let me repeat: while you blame russia for doing bad things, you americans doing much worse things youre fine with.

„we have nukes, we dont give a fuck“

fuckin disgusting. 🤮

Lol.

Every population center and missile base in Russia would be destroyed. Russia can use nuclear weapons as the ultimate, last deterrent. It isn't a viable strategy for winning a war.

if your point is "whoever supported the US' repeated unjustified wars in the middle east has no leg to stand on criticising russia for its war-mongering", you'd have a point in that they are hypocrites.
if you're suggesting "russia murdering children and civilians, bombing their neighbours back into the stone age, is not so bad because other nations did wrong things too", then you're a useful idiot for pootin's propaganda.

nothing justifies this. two wrongs don't make a right. yes, many people (especially american and british conservatives) have a pretty ridiculous double-standard when it comes to foreign interventions, but that doesn't give pootin and russia the right to repeatedly slaughter his neighbours.

Russia is a suicide bomber with a nuke and a Deadman switch. A hobo with a knife. They just need beat on like any bully and they will move in to easier people to take lunch money from. Anyone who has successfully dealt with bullies knows this.




He is an authoritarian dude. He believes Ukrainians should be deported and murdered because they did not willing become subjects of an illiberal state where all acts are either compulsory or forbidden.

Like some others who have deep throated the boot, thin blue line cucks I'm sure, they don't believe in an inalienable right to self defense.




If Russia starts to use a nuke it would be leaked by their leaky generals, especially Valary.

Finland fucking owned Russia and little Ukraine is giving them the business. I don't know why you're fan buying so much.

We don't even know if their missiles worked. We thought they had a professional military with gas and they don't.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jun 3 2022 09:23am

Destroyed by whom? You seem to assume there's some inevitability that the entire world will band together and go after Russia. Tell me, what about the world today strikes you as so united that such an event seems likely?

The only chance that what you say would happen is if US responded with the full force of our nuclear arsenal. And given the current US sentiment AGAINST the use of nukes for ANY reason, I find it unlikely that any sitting politician would endorse such a move unless the homeland itself were hit by a nuke from Russia.

And tell everyone now, why is this even a conversation? Why would we be talking about Russia using nukes? It wouldn't have anything to do with NATO putting weapons on over half of Russia's western border pointing at Moscow, would it? It wouldn't happen to have anything to do with a call to get the majority of the remainder of that border into NATO to install more weapons, would it?

Oh trust me, Russia has a BIG say on the outcome of just who can and who can't join NATO.



I subscribe to the first. As to the second, as of this time, your characterization is not set in stone. If Russia wins the argument, then it was a peacekeeping action to free the Republics of the Donbas and Crimea from the war crimes of Ukraine and to prevent the maniacal tyrants of NATO from further threatening Moscow.

If Europe/Nato/US win the argument, then history will describe it as you say. Fun how that works, isn't it?

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jun 3 2022 09:21am

So why doesn't Russia simply say to NATO, "the reason you exist is because of the Soviet union, however it doesn't exist anymore, so shouldn't you disappear too? And if you don't, I take this as a sign of aggression towards me, and there will be very serious consequences"

Because Russia has gone to war with 15 or more of its neighbors in my lifetime dude. I'm only in my 40s.

Ever see what happened to Chechnya? They were in the UN and a member of the security council attacked them. They are a terrorist state. Ukraine is a member of the UN and a member of the security council attacked them. Georgia was a member of the UN and a member of the security council....attacked then.

Self defense is a right and need if you live by orcs. You guys are all like built a wall because Mexicans want to work here, but it's cool if Russians murder Ukrainians because their lives are beneath consideration.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jun 3 2022 09:27am