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Jan 3 2022 03:03am
Quote (tugofpeace @ Jan 3 2022 03:59am)
Who said anything about pharma wanting to kill people? This is just negligence accompanied by refusal to admit a mistake followed by doubling down, combined with corporate lobbying for further profit.


Negligent deaths are still bad for profit as dead people don't buy drugs, you understand this right?

Billions of people have taken the vaccine, and you're scared of 276 page PDF that holds maybe 500 deaths that could theoretically be caused by a vaccine taken sometime between 1 day and 1 month prior?

Why do you live your life in fear?
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Quote (toyake @ Jan 3 2022 12:49am)
I already attacked the data, VAERS isn't verified by anything, it's essentially a yelp review.



Vaers is verified in the sense that the CDC follows up on every report and the actual adverse events get logged on their website tracking vaccine adverse events. You can't go by raw reports like these clowns want though
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Quote (toyake @ Jan 3 2022 04:03am)
Negligent deaths are still bad for profit as dead people don't buy drugs, you understand this right?

Billions of people have taken the vaccine, and you're scared of 276 page PDF that holds maybe 500 deaths that could theoretically be caused by a vaccine taken sometime between 1 day and 1 month prior?

Why do you live your life in fear?


So now you want a document based on billions of people's experiences? Lmao. Guess sample sizes are scientifically invalid now :(

What fear btw? I am not vaccinated, I'd think the fearful are the ones who got the jab?

Answer this - if one of your parents died 4 days after getting the jab - vaccine death or natural death?

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Quote (tugofpeace @ Jan 3 2022 04:02am)
Just a meme eh? Guess you missed my post quoted below, just like everyone else who read it and decided to ignore it since they didnt have a response:


How do you explain the +900k dead according to excess mortality?

Most people have co-morbidities, this the gotcha you think it is. For example almost 70% of americans are overweight, that's 70% of the population with at least 1 co-morbidity. Add in that as you get older you get more co-morbidities.

If you're overweight and killed by a drunk driver do you blame the co-morbidity on the death or the drunk driver?
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Quote (Sioux @ Jan 3 2022 04:04am)
Vaers is verified in the sense that the CDC follows up on every report and the actual adverse events get logged on their website tracking vaccine adverse events. You can't go by raw reports like these clowns want though


Ty.

Quote (tugofpeace @ Jan 3 2022 04:05am)
So now you want a document based on billions of people's experiences? Lmao. Guess sample sizes are scientifically invalid now :(

What fear btw? I am not vaccinated, I'd think the fearful are the ones who got the jab?


Your main concerns about the vaccine are the fear that it will harm you, despite the overwhelming evidence that it is safe. Your more likely to die on the way to the vaccine site than you are to get harmed by the vaccine. So why won't you get it?
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Quote (toyake @ Jan 3 2022 04:11am)
Ty.



Your main concerns about the vaccine are the fear that it will harm you, despite the overwhelming evidence that it is safe. Your more likely to die on the way to the vaccine site than you are to get harmed by the vaccine. So why won't you get it?



I dont live in fear of the vaccine because I will never get it.

I dont live in fear of covid because I havent gotten it since day one, and I'm in a low risk group to begin with. I'm in my early 30s and have been lifting for 14 years now with a strict diet.

Something like half of democrats believe the mortality rate of covid is 40-50%. If that were the case, the risk of taking the vaccine is better than the risk of covid. But for .06% mortality? Nah

Now how about my question regarding a relative of yours dying 4 days after the jab?

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I dont live in fear of the vaccine because I will never get it.

I dont live in fear of covid because I havent gotten it since day one, and I'm in a low risk group to begin with. I'm in my early 30s and have been lifting for 14 years now with a strict diet.

Something like half of democrats believe the mortality rate of covid is 40-50%. If that were the case, the risk of taking the vaccine is better than the risk of covid. But for .06% mortality? Nah

Now how about my question regarding a relative of yours dying 4 days after the jab?


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/30/life-tragic-death-john-eyers-fitness-fanatic-who-refused-covid-vaccine

This guy thought he didn't need a vaccine too, despite being in his early 30's and healthy. https://www.kktv.com/2021/08/23/though-young-healthy-unvaccinated-father-dies-covid/

Going to go ahead and doubt that 40-50% mortality rate unless you got a source.

My parents are in their 70's and trippled vaccinated, neither them or any of their boomer friends + coworkers have suffered any negative effects other than a sore arm. Again, people have been dying suddenly loooong before vaccines, you can die of a brain aneurysm at any age, even while you type your reply, doesn't mean a vaccine caused it.
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Strong evidences that Omicron is coming from mouses

" The genetic changes seen happened at a rate far 3.3x faster than expected in humans.
Mutations in the spike protein, which are likely to depend on which animal is best infected, were a far closer match in mice than any of 20 other species tested (P<1.6x10-11 )
The types of genetic changes (ie. transitions from one base to another) were not those expected to be found in human cells, but were those expected to be found in mouse cells (P<0.008)
Omicron binds far better to mouse cells receptors than any other animal or human tested (P<1x10-5 )
my summarization has traded scientific accuracy for simplicity
Any of those last 3 bullet points I would consider pretty decisive evidence. To have found all three is amazing.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/rua6jb/evidence_for_a_mouse_origin_of_the_sarscov2/

Doesn't change much things but this also means "bad" mutations from covid can emerge from time to time in the same way than flu does (ie: like the terrible fear of avian flu pandemic)
=> Many domestic and wild animals are actually massively infected by Covid.

Same scenario than CyberPunk2077 where cats and dogs are restricted in town and all wild animals are eliminated in a radius of several kilometers.
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jan 3 2022 04:14am)
Strong evidences that Omicron is coming from mouses

" The genetic changes seen happened at a rate far 3.3x faster than expected in humans.
Mutations in the spike protein, which are likely to depend on which animal is best infected, were a far closer match in mice than any of 20 other species tested (P<1.6x10-11 )
The types of genetic changes (ie. transitions from one base to another) were not those expected to be found in human cells, but were those expected to be found in mouse cells (P<0.008)
Omicron binds far better to mouse cells receptors than any other animal or human tested (P<1x10-5 )
my summarization has traded scientific accuracy for simplicity
Any of those last 3 bullet points I would consider pretty decisive evidence. To have found all three is amazing.
"
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/rua6jb/evidence_for_a_mouse_origin_of_the_sarscov2/

Doesn't change much things but this also means "bad" mutations from covid can emerge from time to time in the same way than flu does (ie: like the terrible fear of avian flu pandemic)
=> Many domestic and wild animals are actually massively infected by Covid.

Same scenario than CyberPunk2077 where cats and dogs are restricted in town and all wild animals are eliminated in a radius of several kilometers.


Unlikely but possible. Will be interesting to see how these findings are expanded upon.
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Unlikely but possible. Will be interesting to see how these findings are expanded upon.



Why unlikely ?



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