Thanks. Now I see that Norlander explained it in one of his posts, but forgive me, this topic is so spammed ekhm active that sometimes I miss some information while reading quickly, especially at busy times.


Do you mean Donbas area? They are still kind of far from it. But of course everything is possible.

For sure its more difficult to attack than to defend, so its possible war becomes more static. Then its the question who will stand longer. Sanctions hit Russia and hurt more and more every month.
On the other hand, Ukraine economy is like halved this year, and we dont know how long western nations will support them.
Both sides are on their knees already.

Of course the best scenario would be if Putin says on his tv that he successfully destroyed azov brigade, successfully evacuated 1mln Ukrainians into Russia (poor people), successfully destroyed all the NATO installations in Ukraine and his job is done so the special operation is over and troops can retreat into 24feb positions.
Ukraine becomes a part of NATO, or some kind of mini-nato, and there will be no more war in Europe and we can focus on global warming again.
That's the plan I think.

All you need is NLAW

I do not necessarily believe that last bit is true. The idea of a worldwide "rules based order" only works if everyone follows the same rules. The US, EU, and NATO have been breaking their own rules since before the ink dried. Why should Russia obey rules that nobody else does?

Also consider, massive numbers of Western Companies have cut business with Russia, access to world banking services have been denied to Russia, and all of this applies to Russia's 144 million population, not just the big evil Putin.

Russia has been put into a box where all they know is that their allies, such as Syria and Lybia, have been targeted by the nations that tout the so-called "Rules Based Order" and international law has been violated multiple times in efforts (some successful, others less so) to topple these Russian allies. They've been told, "Do as you're told, or you won't be able to trade using standard monetary means" and now, they have absolutely nothing to lose.

Russian soldiers who followed orders were castrated. Russian soldiers who followed orders were Executed. By Ukrainians. The Ukrainians posted videos bragging about it. Why shouldn't Russia try Ukrainians for warcrimes? Or UN trainers? Or anyone transporting arms? Russia is a nuclear superpower, a military world power, and a sovereign nation. The sheer fucking stupidity of Europe, or even the US saying to them, "You will do what we tell you, or else!" Or else what? The west has shown it has no taste for nuclear deployment. The west is so afraid of radiation, fallout, or other potential consequences that they'd rather shut down nuclear reactors even if it means people freeze through the winter than risk some possible doom that they can barely describe. The US is cheerfully following in Europe's footsteps. Russia has already stated it's willing to utilize it's nuclear arsenal. I don't believe anyone here doubts them. Biden has already taken nukes off the table.

Why should big bad Putin follow your rules, when you've shown your hand, and it's shit? So, should every captured member of Asov be put on trial? Sure! Should every UN trainer who's teaching Ukrainians how to murder citizens of the Donbas region, along with Russian soldiers be put on trial? Sure!

Russia has dealt with a decade and a half of the stick. If you ever expect somebody to follow the rules, there needs to be a carrot involved. There's been no carrot, and as it turns out, the Bear is still very much alive, and not near as weak-willed as the morons poking it.

Lol you're still mad about the coal miner militia standing up for themselves after the US-installed Porocuck regime banned Russian and started killing people.

You might not realize this, but the natural human response when people start targeting your ethnic group for mass murder is to take up weapons.

Had nothing to do with spetznaz, but please keep clinging to your lies.

Well, they better start quick, because they're getting hit hard.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/06/everything-is-gone-russian-business-hit-hard-by-tech-sanctions/

if english is your first language then you're retarded and you should gtfo of here

no its not and i dont even like that language coz it sounds gay as fuck in my ears.

and even english was my first language i would give a fuck about your ugly comment, moron.

Russia doesn't get a fucking say in who wants to be in NATO.

I already fucking told you how I would react to Russia and Mexico allying: I couldn't give a rat's ass. It's neither our business, nor does it present a danger to the US. We have nuclear weapons and the most powerful military on Earth. Go back and read. You have an extra copy of chromosome 21 or something?



They didn't ban Russian. They did away with the 2 year old language law that had no protections for Ukrainian that was enacted by Putin's puppet regime, and went back to the same language laws they had from 1991 and freedom from the USSR.

You might not realize this, but it's the Russians targeting the Ukrainians for mass murder, deportations, and genocide - something Russia has been doing to them for a century or more - you fucking liar.

NATO was formed as a military alliance to counter any offensive move westward by the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union is gone. NATO should be gone too. Instead, half the Soviet Block is now NATO, and more of Russia's western border is neighbored by NATO nations than not. Every one of those NATO nations has either US troops or US weapons housed in them, and the only purpose for those troops and weapons is a threat against Russia. "Do what we say, or we're ready for war."

If any other nation on the planet were to install mid range missile installations on the US border, it'd be instant war. The last time it was attempted? Cuba. Are you familiar? Russia absolutely has a say on which nations borders it that are going to be able to house weapons pointed at them. Whether or not their say matters completely depends on how much they want to weight their words. If they turn around and invade every NATO country that directly borders them, then Nuke every NATO country that tries to respond, I tend to think that they have a much larger say than some dipshit on the internet.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jun 3 2022 08:48am

Russia does not possess the material or demographic resources to do this. Using nuclear weapons is not a get out of jail free card, launching a preemptive nuclear strike would signify the end of Russia as an ethnic / cultural bloc.