Quote (Sioux @ Jan 3 2022 01:51am)
Literally not true. Vaccines have always just softened the blow of the disease not made you completely immune. This is a misunderstanding of the word immune in relation to the vaccine which has always just meant immune system, or immunity which is the immune system having exposure to a given antigen. They didn't change the definition, they clarified language in a pandemic because the common American went their entire life without opening the CDCs website on vaccines until the year every American did.
These vaccines absolutely work at preventing severe illness and death. I dont know how much data you can have shown to you if you don't believe that to be the case. We're in a pandemic of the unvaccinated right now.
Really? So there's no such thing as sterilizing vaccines (which the COVID one isn't)?
I suggest you do a search for sterilizing vaccines on google and see what you find. Various articles saying it isn't possible and that vaccines don't do it.
Then, change your time frame to searches from before the pandemic. All of a sudden, tons of articles saying positive thinigs about it.
They are literally changing information so that people like you can't find it and just go for the latest and greatest, which is propaganda.
Here is an article from 1990 which states as much, no propaganda here:
https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/BF00328978.pdfQuote
The Ideal Vaccine
There are two sets of requirements. The primary requirements are two-fold:
1. The vaccine should be safe, even in immunocompromised people. No current
vaccine is completely safe but a mortality rate greater than 1/10^6 would not
be acceptable in the great majority of countries. The level of morbidity might
vary according to the perceived disease impact in the population, but
optimally, there should be no significant long-term sequelae. As far as
immunocompromised recipients are concerned, the main danger is from
vaccines containing an infectious agent. Recent experiments in immunocompromised animals gives rise to the hope that inclusion of genes coding for
selected T cell growth factors in a recombinant vector may afford substantial
protection (Flexner et al. 1987; Ramshaw et al. 1987).
2. The second requirement is that the vaccine should be highly effective and
optimally induce ‘sterilizing’ immunity, i.e. vaccination results in the complete
prevention of infection by a subsequent challenge dose of the wild-type
organism. Whether this is ever achieved by a current vaccine is unknown.
Such a requirement is particularly desirable in the case of retroviruses because
integration of viral DNA into the cell genome during viral replication results
in a cell potentially infected ‘for life’-a situation to be avoided if possible.
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G.L. Ada
In other situations, and in immunocompetent hosts, a vaccine may be
optimally effective if vaccination reduces a subsequent infectious agent challenge load by say, 99.9%, so that the host’s own immune system can
comfortably cope with the remaining infectious agent. The vaccinee thus may
benefit from the immune responses to both the vaccine and to a reduced
wild-type infection.
Note they mention that the vaccine must have a mortality rate due to adverse reactions less than 1/10^6. That means in the US population if everyone were to be vaccinated, there should be less than 330 adverse reactions. Do you think less than 330 people have died from the vaccine or been injured from it?
This post was edited by tugofpeace on Jan 3 2022 01:24am