Quote (thundercock @ 1 Jun 2022 20:13)
In what world are they sovereign republics? Do you recognize every absurd separatist movement in the world? Did you recognize CHAZ in Seattle? Of course not, because it's a ludicrous position. Rebellions deserve to be crushed! Ukraine was simply performing police work within it's own country. Until Ukraine is the one that recognizes the independence of those regions or formerly cedes that land to Russia, the land belongs to Ukraine.
If you don't understand why Russia is an adversary to the United States, I'm not sure how I can help you. Russia isn't an ally just because you drink 40 billion dollars worth of their vodka on an annual basis.
Fun, I didn't think you'd actually respond. So, let's start with Crimea... In what world is a republic with a population of over 2 million people comparable to CHAZ/CHOP? You do understand that close to a third of US States have fewer than 2 million people, right? There are somewhere in the area of 70-80 recognized nations under 2 million population.
Donbas is no different. Between the two republics there are over 4.6 million people involved. The referendums were stunningly clear. Over 80% of the population wanted independence. Both (all three, for that matter) republics are fully within the parameters that define a sovereign nation. All three Republics have been recognized by multiple UN member nations. So, on the face of all that, you tell me, why should anyone believe you that they aren't "real" Republics, when you're trying to compare nations of millions with a violent insurgence involving a few hundred?
The only thing that kept Ukraine tied to Donbas was their nonstop war against the people of the Donbas region for the last 8 years. As in, they've been bullying these republics since their founding. I find it very interesting that you claim that Donbas belongs to Ukraine as long as the government in Kiev says it does. Where's this great call for democracy? The citizens of the Donbas have spoken. They don't want anything to do with Ukraine. They believe Ukraine is harming them and has been harming them for the last 8 years. They're fully capable of doing just fine on their own. Why oh why aren't you calling for US intervention against these poor peace loving republics?
What do you mean if I don't understand why Russia is an adversary to the US? What does that even mean? You're making a blanket statement with zero meaning whatsoever. Russia has NOT shown that they're a military adversary. They've NOT shown that they're an economic adversary. Perhaps you should define what "adversary" means to you, and provide some evidence that Russia fits that definition. Go on, we'll wait.
Quote (Cascadian @ 1 Jun 2022 20:16)
We know, that is often the position of Russian trolls.
Ah, so we're down to random name calling. I mean, you could have put some effort into it. Given I'm an American, I clearly can't be a Russian Troll, now can I? I mean, shill or stooge should have been your go-to, no? Eh, college freshmen are such a trial.
Quote (thundercock @ 1 Jun 2022 20:27)
Why doesn't China recognize Crimea as part of Russia or the other two rebellious Ukrainian regions? Why doesn't Brazil? India? Iran? Are they bought and paid for by us too? And to think that I'm on the wrong side of history....LMAO
Russia doesn't recognize Crimea as a "part of Russia" so why would China? Your question makes no sense. It's the Republic of Crimea. As of now they have a status very close to protectorate, as Russia could not prevent Ukrainian troops from committing atrocities against Crimean citizens without assisting in the physical defense of the region. That is, once again, due to Ukraine attacking their own citizens. Perhaps you should understand, Ukraine has declared the governance of the Donbas Republics and Crimea both as "terrorists". What'd they do to inspire terror? Had a vote for independence. Proceeded to govern based on independent status. Attempted to defend themselves from nonstop invasion and military attack from Ukraine. Who's the terrorist?
Yet once again, that's one side of the story. We should acknowledge the other as well, shouldn't we? The government of Ukraine, which has existed since 2014, claims that the governments of Crimea and the Donbas republics are terrorists because the government in Ukraine prior to the coup that established the current government had control over those regions. Huh. That's interesting. How is their position justified, exactly? Why should any region who widely disagreed with the maiden revolution ever bother to allow the terrorists in Kyiv to dictate to them? Because that's what is described by the government of Ukraine themselves. They took power in 2014. The republics of Donbas immediately established republics, as did Crimea. Pre-2014 Ukraine is history. This is a new government entirely. Even pointing at any agreements or treaties prior to 2014 is suspect, as the government and the governmental process were completely overturned. Now, this revolutionary government claims that these other governments are terrorists. Yet how many attacks have been seen from the Donbas or Crimea republics into Ukraine proper? Where are the bombings, the stabbings, the random mortars fired into civilian areas? Oh. That's right, that only happens IN the Donbas and Crimean Republics, and the perpetrators are Ukrainian Military, led by Asov. Wonderful.
Do you have anything useful to add, or are we done?