this should honestly just be copy/pasted under antivax comment

So where's the source for these graphs?

The mortality by vaccination rates you can do yourself with the cdcs published data. I know because I tried it and got the same result.

The NYC data came from the NYC covid website

This post was edited by Sioux on Jan 2 2022 10:42pm

So, how are you determining who's vaccinated?

There are people who took both shots and are infected with covid 14 days after inoculation in the past 6 months (vaccinated)

There are people who took boosters within the past 6 months and are infected with covid (vaccinated)

There are people who took both shots before the past 6 months and are infected with covid 14 days after inoculation (unvaccinated)

There are people who took both shots and are infected with covid within 14 days after inoculation (unvaccinated)

There are people who took the first shot and got infected before their second (unvaccinated)

There are people who took both shots and no longer have an immune response due to no booster (unvaccinated)

?


It's nice that someone can cherry pick 3 counties in SF and compare it to entire states, but the HUGE difference in mortality rates from COVID when comparing California and Texas is a mere .059%. This is calculated from official CDC data starting from 7/1/2021.

Texas - 74,491 deaths out of a population of 29.5 million = .25% mortality rate
California - 75,847 deaths out of a population of 32.23 million = .19% mortality rate

Why would any reasonable person take a vaccine for a virus with such low mortality rates, in which the majority (97% in Italy for example) of deaths are in elder people with comorbidities?

Why mask and lockdown given the diametrically opposite policies in Texas and California but the nearly identical mortality rate?

This post was edited by tugofpeace on Jan 2 2022 10:59pm

It's two shot mRNA or one shot J&j. Your math seems funky because you're looking at all time as opposed to since July 1 when the vaccines were widely available.

The three bay area counties were included since they have some of the highest vaccination rates in the country

This post was edited by Sioux on Jan 2 2022 11:03pm

That's weird because vaccines were rolled out by end of 2020, with Biden promising vaccines would be available for everybody by May. My own parents and sister got it much earlier than July 1st. But I'll play by your rules, let's start from July 1st:

July 1st, before vaccines:

CA: Total deaths = 63,141 = .16% mortality rate
TX: Total deaths = 51,480 = .17% mortality rate

December 31st, after vaccines:

CA: Total deaths = 75,847 = .19% mortality rate
TX: Total deaths = 74,491 = .25% mortality rate

Huh, why did the mortality rate go up after vaccination?

You also chose to not answer my questions regarding masking/lockdowns given the negligible difference in mortality rates between the two states, regardless of pre or post vaccination?

This post was edited by tugofpeace on Jan 2 2022 11:10pm

July 1 is an arbitrary cut off but it's roughly when everyone who got two doses of mRNA on schedule would have been a month or two out from their second dose and had full coverage.

Mortality rate when up because you... Can't be serious? You posted all deaths up to july, added 6 months more and are surprised more people died with six months of additional data.

So based on your post subtracting everything pre July from total gets you Texas had almost as many deaths over that 6 month interval

Obviously deaths increase with time (not sure why you're even pointing that out), but why would the rate of death (mortality rate) increase after vaccine rollout, meaning why are more people per million dying after vaccine rollout?



Not sure what you are saying here. Whatever you're saying, you do understand that the magnitude of deaths is irrelevant, it's the percentage that matters?




I will reiterate my questions from my previous post since you keep ignoring them:



This post was edited by tugofpeace on Jan 2 2022 11:27pm

Funny how you post data without a ratio of deaths between vaccinated and unvaccinated.

85% of all current covid deaths are unvaccinated. huh, why are vaccinated people not dying as much if they don't work?