You have me confused, which I've tried to point out to you multiple times. You have not answered my one question to you, which was to find this magic post by me where I advocated any position about Ukraine.

Correct, I won't try to convince you regarding the authenticity of facts. That is a personal quest for you to take on. If you have something philosophical in nature I'd be happy to discuss.

1992 Lisbon Protocol.

I never indicated a position to justify.

Finish what? I'm not going to play dogshow games with you were you hold me accountable for replyng to your batshit crazy posts, my dude. I'll keep on +1ing and pointing out your logical fallacies.

Feel free to check if the UN recognizes those regions of Ukraine as sovereign.


No such burden on me to explain your half-brained spaghetti theories.



There is nothing remotely similar to Bobs posts and mine.

This post was edited by Cascadian on Jun 1 2022 08:54pm

Hypocrisy, you wouldn't understand it

I don't care what Ukraine does. They make 0.0000% difference to Americans. I acknowledge the arguments of both sides and say, "Don't care, you don't pay our taxes, you contribute 0.000 to the welfare of American citizens, all of Ukraine could be turned to glass and it would not impact America."

The hard part for you is that you can't disprove any of that. You can't disprove the referendums, you can't disprove that Ukraine has been attacking three sovereign republics without claiming that those republics don't exist, that the democratic will of the people of those republics are meaningless. You can't disprove that the Ukrainian government has been pushing for NATO membership, when the only reason NATO exists is to provide a military alliance to act against the Soviet Union, which no longer exists, and NATO members end up with US weapons and US military personnel in their nations.

Every pro-Ukraine post in this 365 page topic is based on an assumption that "Ukraine are good guys, Russia are our enemy" and the problem is that neither statement makes any sense. How is the government of Ukraine good for the taxpaying citizens of the United States of America? How are Russia an enemy, when we do nearly $40 billion in trade with them per year, more than 2/3rds of that necessary imports. How are Russia the enemy, when half the power grids in the EU require Russian Natural gas to keep powered during the winter?

My world view is very simple. A sovereign nation is SOVEREIGN. Ukraine has made choices, and their choices have led them into conflict with Russia. They have the power to resolve that conflict and play nice. They're choosing not to. That's on them. So when hundreds of billions are going to be stolen from the US Taxpayer to pay and arm said government of Ukraine and their soldiers, when there will be no benefit whatsoever to the American Taxpayer or US National Security, I see a problem. And at it's heart, that's a very middle of the road worldview, that respects sovereignty, rather than trying to supplant it. Because as things are right now, we're using the people of Ukraine as death dolls. Just drop some weapons in their hands and say "go kill Russians" and in doing so, we're harming ourselves, enabling the conflict to drag on longer than needed, increasing Ukrainian casualties, all while, in the meantime, Russia is continuing to advance, strengthening alliances and business dealings with China and India, very quietly providing Assad the support he needs to continue to wipe out remaining jihadist groups in Syria.

The only worldview where US involvement in the Ukraine/Russia conflict even has an excuse is a world in which you acknowledge that the US is actually the World Government, and when so-called "sovereign" nations behave badly, we have a right to go murder them. Not being a globalist, I'm not in favor of the senseless murder of the citizens of sovereign nations. Are you?

In what world are they sovereign republics? Do you recognize every absurd separatist movement in the world? Did you recognize CHAZ in Seattle? Of course not, because it's a ludicrous position. Rebellions deserve to be crushed! Ukraine was simply performing police work within it's own country. Until Ukraine is the one that recognizes the independence of those regions or formerly cedes that land to Russia, the land belongs to Ukraine.

If you don't understand why Russia is an adversary to the United States, I'm not sure how I can help you. Russia isn't an ally just because you drink 40 billion dollars worth of their vodka on an annual basis.

Why are you so insanely dumb 24/7

I fully recognize the independence of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics.

There, I said it. They are legit and anybody attacking them deserves to get crushed. Oh yeah, good thing Russia is taking care of that for me!

We know, that is often the position of Russian trolls.

and before america is was gBritain. You're not going to get the boogyman until you figure out how it got here. they've been worshipping these powers since the days of the great pyramids and well before.

Don't forget they said they were UN recognized countries too. Pardon my french, but I believe the term is "useful idiot"



Yeah, until the United States was victorious in a war, and was recognized by pretty much all players on the world stage.

This post was edited by Cascadian on Jun 1 2022 09:18pm

This is the position of reasonable people that do not allow themselves to be manipulated by debunked MSM opinions. Unfortunately you are not one of those people