Quote (ofthevoid @ Jun 1 2022 06:33pm)
You should really try and read some first hand sources from places like Telegram because you're painfully misinformed. Zelensky already publicly admitted that Ukraine most likely won't be able to recover some of it's territories lost to Russia. He himself admitted that they are losing between 60-100 men daily, with hundreds wounded daily. A ton of Ukrainian forces Ukraine is sending east are territorial defense forces formed after the start of the war. Not soldiers, but random men forced to the front with basically an AK and minimal training. Many units publicly speak out and share their dissatisfaction, I legit have now seen dozens of videos of Ukrainian companies making videos in protest to being sent. Some refuse to fight, some surrender, etc. You look at these man half of them are in their 30's and 40's.
Yes it sucks being invaded, and if enemy soldiers are in your yard it makes sense to shoot them to me.
Sometimes you lose fights, but home is worth fighting for IMO. So is not being a slave. Surrendering to Russia as a Ukrainian means facing execution, raping, deportation, incarceration, and death. I would rather die fighting with minimal training than that alternative.
If anything I am a classicist; I try to be informed of things today by being studied in the stories, songs, poetry, art, music, of the past. One of my favorite artists has made a painting of the situation in Ukraine between the Ukrainian people and the Russian people:

Its called Fight with Cudgels and I think about it a lot when I feel like I'm bring drawn into a situation where nobody is going to win. Can I avoid this?
At this point the Ukrainian cannot avoid the fight with cudgels. If they stop swinging they will just be hit until death. Genocide is on the table. Russians denazify cities by turning them into rubble, making that rubble bounce, and them moving in to look anything valuable that is intact. Sure there are no nazis left after that. Half of PaRD cheers it.
The Russian can't avoid the fight either. He is sent far from home, doesn't know where he is going until he learns it is Ukraine. He was told they were winning and they are getting dumpstered left and right. He is told they are fighting nazis but they are just killing civilians for the most part, thousands a day. If you try to leave Spetsnaz will shoot you. They basically have commissars from Warhammer 40k shooting you in the back if you aren't moving forward. It is common for sexual violence to be used on lower enlisted in the Russian military as discipline. Drink that in Void, in the russian army they use sexual violence as discipline. Those orcs are shoving brooms up each others bums when they get mad.
So I'm cheering for one of the guys swinging the cudgel, the one that is fighting in self defense in his home and not the orc with a broomstick being shoved up his ass.
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jun 1 2022 06:39pm)
What a load of self-bloviating horse shit.
Russia is not the Enemy of the United States. In fact, they've been a trade partner since the fall of the Soviet Union, and we've went to great lengths to help them recover from the crash, and clean up some of the excesses left by their former coalition. The United States gains far more being on business friendly terms with Russia than we do with Ukraine, as does the entire rest of the world. The world at large has stake in Russia's energy, grain production, and fertilizer production, as well as their lumber industry and mining industry. What do we lose by supporting Ukraine? One of our top five trading partners on the world stage, hundreds of billions in US Defense weaponry and taxpayers dollars. What do we gain? Absolutely nothing.
The assumption that we need bases in every region so we can jump in the fight simply proves my point. The expectation among both Europeans and US war hawks is that if there's a fight, we'll either break it up or win it. Aka, we're the Nanny for a bunch of children. Nope. Europe needs to grow the fuck up, and the US Government needs to focus on the well-being of Americans. The rest of the world can sink or swim as they see fit. They aren't American Citizens. Their problems are their own.
If Russia isn't our enemy then why are they attacking our allies, undermining our democracy, attempting to reestablish the Soviet Union, and why else would we have the largest contingent of armor in Europe be American and pointed at them?
You're simply disconnected from reality. Maybe you got wacked with a cudgel.
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Jun 1 2022 06:46pm)
Lol you are just as wrong and delusional as Santara.
Deportation is a war crime and Russia is doing this en masse.
This post was edited by Skinned on Jun 1 2022 04:48pm