Russia already occupies 20% of Ukrainian territory.

If the war ended tomorrow, it would mean all that land would stay with Russia. Ukraine simply cannot recover it under any circumstances.

The longer the war goes on, the greater that percentage would grow. Which means it is actually unironically better for Ukraine to end the war now. They could still keep 80% of their country.

Instead, they are dragging their feet and give it a year or so and they are going to end up stuck with 50% of their country instead of 80%.

The utterly selfdefeating tactics undertaken by the Ukrainian command are nothing new, though. They hardly ever think ahead. The same was true in 2014 and the same is true today.

since its a scam. before i would place a bet is i would want to see the "screen play"

Wrong. Russia strategically kept a majority of their forces in reserve in case of war with NATO.

They could easily engage/deploy some more of those forces. I mean, they're not even using top of the line stuff like the Armata, instead engaging as minimally as required to make progress in Ukraine.

The hell they could unleash if they decided to go "all in" in any scenario would be insane. This is why it is so important that people take diplomacy with them seriously. Instead the US/NATO blatantly decided they would not only ignore their security concerns but also give indications that they would try to attack Russia in the future. Hence why there is a war in Ukraine right now.

Nope, Putin makes ambition plans and forces his people to attack, so the attacker casaulties are huge.
Ukrainians have more respect for soldiers life, so they dont do suicide attacks.
I dont know who will win the war, who will run out of soldiers quicker.

If this is true then it's seriously stupid. A huge misstep on their part.

But then again, maybe they don't care. They aren't the ones being sent to the front line.

i remember a computer game i played maybe 2/3 decades or so ago (time sure flies). it was based on war that would never end and was traded on the stock market. the main game actor story line figured out how the whole thing worked and was going to put a end to all the insanity. went into the last "room" of the game to finish off the "bad guys" and was killed and the war went on. one of the weirdest endings ever.

if putin is still WEF the whole thing is bullchit.......

This post was edited by TiStuff on Jun 1 2022 03:44pm

...and if Ukraine lets them take a rest, Russia will simply regroup and come back for more later. This fight isn't ending without a Russian loss.

Armata... Are they like twenty?

20 T-14 Project Armata tanks to be supplied untill 11.26.2021

https://ria.ru/20211126/armata-1760937828.html

This post was edited by Norlander on Jun 1 2022 04:11pm

Europe is 0.00% US power. Precisely zero European Nations pay taxes to the US government. Precisely zero European Nations give anything at all to the US for free. Precisely zero European Nations benefit the US.

The United States has some odd ~70,000 troops stationed in Europe, 5 permanent army bases, and all of these are to prevent European Wars. Precisely zero are to benefit or profit the US or it's citizens. We're still playing Nanny for you petty fucking children.

Russia is a Europe Problem. Ukraine is also a highly corrupt European Problem, and one that has been involved in nonstop human rights violations in Donbas for the last 8 years.

Once again, not the problem of the US. Every action Biden takes to try to further arm up Ukraine is directly against the interest of the people of the United States on behalf of a Nation who has never in it's entire existence done a single thing to benefit the US or it's people. All while provoking Putin to up the stakes and utilize nukes.

Fuck Ukraine. That has nothing to do with Russia. It has to do with Ukraine not making one difference to us whatsoever. I don't care if Ukraine wins, I don't care if they lose. I don't care if the entire nation is turned to glass. What I do care about is that if we continue to arm the enemies of Russia, we may push the world into Nuclear War.

You're Incorrect. We keep huge forces in Europe so that we can be balls deep into any enemy in 48 hours. I was stationed in Germany, Conn Barracks, and was part of a rapid deployment combat arms battalion. We could get orders and have tanks in god damn Yugoslavia in 48 hours and did.

Do you not think that having the largest continent of armor in Western Europe is of benefit to the United States? Of course it benefits the United States to be able to project ground forces, not just air and sea, not just paratroopers either, but actual fucking armor pieces with cavalry support.

Our tanks are twice the size have twice the power and we could get a division of them in Ukraine by Friday night if we wanted, in time for the big game.

Its been a solid twenty years since I've served. I know the M1A2 is much better than the M1A1 I operated and I know that every other force multiplier we have has been developed as well.

You see how bad the Ukrainians are smoking the Russians with the stuff we're giving them? What until you see what we're holding back or save for ourselves.

Yes having the largest contingent of armor prepared for rapid deployment in Europe is of benefit to the United States lol.

This is only the tenth proxy war with Russia we have had in my life.



They're running out of generals. Units are refusing to deploy to the front lines. Putin is so desperate with his chemo ridden brain they've raised the age of conscription well into the 40s.

I can't wait for you to sing his praises when he starts sending Russian children to die to the free people of Ukraine while trying to make them slaves.

Never seen anyone so enthusiastically embrace human slavery as you lol.



Russia hasn't made anything new that has gone into production in decades. They can't even make a new rifle. Every rifle they make is a variant of the Kalashnikov. They can't innovate. I can't believe that they played their hand and this was it. It goes to show that Putin doesn't even know what cards he is holding.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jun 1 2022 04:22pm