The CIA routinely subvert sovereign nations and kill their leaders for going against US interests too. If you are against Russia, then you have to be against the CIA, as well.

This post was edited by JessiWan on Mar 4 2022 06:22pm

Think the question should be redefined to: how many countries have the US invaded for a political turnover towards pro US governments? There is no basis to expect Russia wants an ongoing military pressence in Ukraine, more than the US wanted in Iraq, Afganistan or Syria (or wars before that). Many of them are ideogical wars, democracy vs other forms of governing: dictatorship/socialism/sharia. The resource 'benefit' the west has had in the more recent wars is not that different than the gas price Russia can increase: Financial justifican through a different perspectice.

In order to condemn these invasions, one always has to reflect in what that would mean for the history of the west and how to proceed in the future.. Hard power is declining in the west, while hard power in on the rise in the rest. The impunity the west has had is being extended towards nuclear powers with strong armies. The moral bar to start an intervention needs to be lifted, but I'm doubtful this has a positive or negative influence on the rest. /e what I am possitive about, is that civilians are getting better means to create movements locally and globally to go against interest of invasions.

This post was edited by Knoppie on Mar 4 2022 06:32pm

One big difference, usa never attacked a nuclear power plant.

they just destroyed everything, armed total nutjobs like in syria among countless other things, but thankfully they didnt occupy anything for a longer period of time

still the good guys, phew

btw, chechnya and dagestan are russian territory, is it possible to invade your own land?



ukraine has been one huge provocation since 2014

a sponsored coup in kiev to overthrow a president after he ditched that association agreement with the EU

the leaked victoria nuland call literally confirming for the whole world to see that it has been a regime change to install a western puppet government

that puppet government immediately starts brutal attacks against the ethnic russians in eastern ukraine, killing thousands

the next president after that talks all kind of stuff about NATO membership, nukes etc

you dont have to be a russia shill or apologist to realise that the west clearly had no interest to find a solution here

we are literally sacrificing ukraine right now as a price for unlimited greed, its disgusting

This post was edited by JohnnyMcCoy on Mar 4 2022 06:37pm

Chechnya is Russian territory only because it was taken by force.
The 1994 war doesn't count?

Didn't the US also take land from Mexico by force?

I'm on board that Russia lower the bar of rules of engagement, then again, can't condone the use of depleted uranium US tanks did in Iraq.. I'm playing a bit of a devils advocate to make a point. We have to expect other nuclear powers without an equivalent militairy force as the US to lower these bars in order to win. That is being made possible with the west not intervening with nuclear (stronger) powers. (/e: impunity of the rest)

This post was edited by Knoppie on Mar 4 2022 06:46pm

Yup. Still better than (Pro-Putin) Viktor Yanukovych being in charge of Ukraine. Apparently, the people of Ukraine agree. It's why they are fighting. Putin isn't wanted, obviously.


Prove it.
"Despite multiple claims of a Ukrainian genocide against ethnic Russians, there is no evidence to support it. International bodies that include Russian representatives report that civilian deaths have plummeted since 2014."

Some fact checking can be done-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-03/fact-check-ukraine-war-misinformation-disinformation-fact-check/100875530

This post was edited by said_aouita on Mar 4 2022 06:50pm

Thankfully, the rule nuclear powers don't pick fights with other nuclear powers still stands.

that's a fair point

when do we send nukes to Ukraine?

This post was edited by Knoppie on Mar 4 2022 06:49pm