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Jan 4 2017 09:27pm
Quote (GetOnYourKnees @ Jan 5 2017 01:31am)
You cannot be serious :lol:

First you make an assumption that all of the murdered infants will grow up to be sinners, without knowing them, their parents or their circumstances. And that's not even mentioning the livestock - how can a goat sin?

Oh but it's alright that they were slaughtered and died in horrendous pain, because you think they'll be 'saved' and have a better deal next time :rofl:

I kno christians are not the greatest thinkers, but my god, you should be ashamed of yourself :lol:


Romans 3:10-12

10 as it is written:

“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”

If you read that verse, you sure as hell fit that category. You are not righteous, you do not understand or seek for God. You have turned aside, become worthless and do not do good.

Quote (GetOnYourKnees @ Jan 5 2017 02:27am)
If you had bothered to read the preceding comments you would know that I wasn't talking about 'native sin', I was talking about sins directed towards Israel i.e. hostility. So yes, I know all about the sin that we are supposedly born into; maybe spend a few minutes on establishing the facts before you let your emotions get the better of you.

Again, if you had bothered to read the conversation you'd realise that you've just proven my point. So why did your god order the massacre of livestock, if it wasn't to be a dick?


All the neighboring countries hated Israel, they wanted to demolish them. They decided to go up against God's chosen people. I'm sure you've heard stories of direct neighbors at war with one another. The only way that war will end is when one of them ends up in the grave.

Oh and have you ever heard of the saying: "Like Father like Son"? The infants would definitely grow up to hate the Israelite's and return with a vengeance. How do I know? I'll link it again:

https://www.gotquestions.org/Canaanites-extermination.html

In 1 Samuel 15:2-3 God commanded Saul and the Israelites to punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. God knew what the results would be if Israel did not completely eradicate the Amalekites. If Israel did not eradicate the Amalekites, they would come back to trouble the Israelites in the future. Saul killed everyone but the Amalekite king Agag. A few decades later, there were enough Amalekites to take David and his men's families captive.

God knew that this would occur so he ordered the extermination of the Amalekites ahead of time. God commanded the Canaanites to be destroyed otherwise they will teach Israel all the detestable things they do in worshipping their gods and they will sin against the LORD your God. The Israelites failed in this mission and exactly what God said would happen occurred.

God did not order the extermination of these people to be cruel, but to prevent even greater evil from occurring in the future.

Now, what if God told the Americans to completely eradicate ISIS? No doubt you have seen all the terrorist acts they have committed. All those gunfires that have killed many Citizens, all those bombings. What if America eradicated all of ISIS except for one, who just happened to be the leader? Eventually, they will return with a vengeance. Don't believe me?

Look at Hitler's infamous order to halt the advance at Dunkirk for 48 hours. The German army was on the verge of a breakthrough and had cornered the allies. Those 48 hours gave the allies precious time to dig in and organize a defense of the evacuation beaches. He missed a stunning opportunity to deliver a crippling blow to the British, a moment which changed the course of the war and gave hope to the beleaguered Allies.

Later on, those 400,000 British soldiers were able to regroup and land on the Nazi-held beaches of Europe. The rest is history.
You have Biblical scripture, here and now scenarios and even World War history from Hitler himself with examples of what happens when you let an opportunity to purge the evil slip by. They regroup more powerful than ever before and with a vengeance.

I sure as hell hope you do not become any kind of leader, driven by mercy and unable to give the order that nobody else could give. So when God gives the command to eradicate entire civilizations he knows why and we also have the ability to know why he ordered it. Sometimes we do not know why but in the end it all comes down to trusting God because his thoughts are higher than our thoughts (Isaiah 55:9; Romans 11:33-36). We have to be willing to trust God and have faith in him even when we do not understand his ways.

So therefore when God flooded the entire world, which we do know that it did indeed happen, it was just and righteous for him to do so.
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Jan 4 2017 09:33pm
Quote (xfrodobagginsx @ Jan 25 2016 04:38am)

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.




you wot m8, 100%? yo how am I supposed to know
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Jan 4 2017 10:58pm
Oh and GetOnYourKnees perhaps you could think about this.

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Jan 4 2017 11:19pm
Quote (CPK001 @ 5 Jan 2017 04:58)
Oh and GetOnYourKnees perhaps you could think about this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIorXcloIac


It's bullshit. Watching it as I type and will tell you why it's bullshit.

1) The big bang theory does not claim that something came from nothing. This is not a new idea either. Ray Comfort has been going on about 'something from nothing' for years.

2) We don't know how abiogenesis occurred. He is right there. But we don't know a lot of things and that is just fine.

3) We have an explanation for the extraordinary variety of living things. It's called evolution.

4) Humans are animals.

5) He claims there is no evidence of gradual development which is simply untrue.

6) Almost noneof these ideas are new. They are old as fuck. The only thing I haven't heard a hundred times before is how he presents them. As things that had to instantly pop into existence. Which is not an assertion anyone educated in the subject of evolution would make.

This video boils down to a rejigged argument from complexity which is in turn just a rehash of the watchmaker fallacy. The watchmaker fallacy and this video are simply arguments from ignorance and incredulity. These arguments are ten a penny. 'everything is so complicated that I can't believe it naturally occurred therefore God must have done it.'

It's not new. It's old and quite frankly it's simultaneously sad and boring watching idiots get taken in by the same old bullshit over and over because some new con-artist wants to sell their book and presents that same old bullshit in a different candied coating.

This post was edited by Scaly on Jan 4 2017 11:21pm
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Quote (CPK001 @ Jan 4 2017 11:58pm)
Oh and GetOnYourKnees perhaps you could think about this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIorXcloIac


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Jan 5 2017 06:06am
Quote (Scaly @ Jan 5 2017 03:19pm)
It's bullshit. Watching it as I type and will tell you why it's bullshit.

1) The big bang theory does not claim that something came from nothing. This is not a new idea either. Ray Comfort has been going on about 'something from nothing' for years.

2) We don't know how abiogenesis occurred. He is right there. But we don't know a lot of things and that is just fine.

3) We have an explanation for the extraordinary variety of living things. It's called evolution.

4) Humans are animals.

5) He claims there is no evidence of gradual development which is simply untrue.

6) Almost noneof these ideas are new. They are old as fuck. The only thing I haven't heard a hundred times before is how he presents them. As things that had to instantly pop into existence. Which is not an assertion anyone educated in the subject of evolution would make.

This video boils down to a rejigged argument from complexity which is in turn just a rehash of the watchmaker fallacy. The watchmaker fallacy and this video are simply arguments from ignorance and incredulity. These arguments are ten a penny. 'everything is so complicated that I can't believe it naturally occurred therefore God must have done it.'

It's not new. It's old and quite frankly it's simultaneously sad and boring watching idiots get taken in by the same old bullshit over and over because some new con-artist wants to sell their book and presents that same old bullshit in a different candied coating.


Quote (duffman316 @ Jan 5 2017 05:08pm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuKzt7p-MnM


You both will love this then. Just think, you have no idea when you are going to die.

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Jan 5 2017 02:20pm
abiogenesis occurs from a voltage forming peptides or something like that, it's well known.



anything with a Carbon atom is considered organic or something, it started from mold or something like that, then evolved and spread, replicating itself, it's not that complicated.

This post was edited by Wyrmvater on Jan 5 2017 02:21pm
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Jan 5 2017 02:24pm
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abiogenesis occurs from a voltage forming peptides or something like that, it's well known.




This post was edited by Scaly on Jan 5 2017 02:24pm
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Jan 5 2017 02:26pm
Quote (CPK001 @ 5 Jan 2017 12:06)
You both will love this then. Just think, you have no idea when you are going to die.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys4VDS8NPG0


Well that will teach me for taking your argument seriously.

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Jan 5 2017 02:31pm
lol, scientists can actually make abiogenesis with the right molecules, or atoms, etc. IT IS KNOWN.
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