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Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 12 2020 05:08pm)
We both know you'll never find somebody desperate enough to reproduce with you.


I'll let her know your thoughts.
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Fun fact: The vaccine doesn't prevent you from spreading the virus. It only reduces symptoms and death rate.

Another reason why I won't get the vaccine.


Is that true? I've been seeing a bunch of information on it. Something about causing Anaphylaxis in rare cases with people who have severe food allergies, something about causing pregnant women to reject the placenta... Dunno how much is true, how much not. Just been keeping half an eye on the NHS releases.

I'd heard that Pfizer could not guarantee that taking the vaccine would prevent you from spreading it. Hadn't heard any affirmative confirmation that you would be a carrier though. Source would be good.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 12 2020 04:21pm)
I'll let her know your thoughts.


Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 12 2020 05:23pm)
Is that true? I've been seeing a bunch of information on it. Something about causing Anaphylaxis in rare cases with people who have severe food allergies, something about causing pregnant women to reject the placenta... Dunno how much is true, how much not. Just been keeping half an eye on the NHS releases.

I'd heard that Pfizer could not guarantee that taking the vaccine would prevent you from spreading it. Hadn't heard any affirmative confirmation that you would be a carrier though. Source would be good.


If you have an immune exposure you tend to have a small concentration of antibodies present in your system when you get the next infection. This inactivates the virus and stops you from becoming infected as quickly, hopefully allowing your immune system to respond faster and more effectively. In some diseases, like the flu, that will stop you from becoming infected to the point that you will spread it. Since we don't have data for Covid we can't say for sure whether or not that will be the case. However, based on previous vaccination on similar viruses, it would suggest that it would be the same.

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If you have an immune exposure you tend to have a small concentration of antibodies present in your system when you get the next infection. This inactivates the virus and stops you from becoming infected as quickly, hopefully allowing your immune system to respond faster and more effectively. In some diseases, like the flu, that will stop you from becoming infected to the point that you will spread it. Since we don't have data for Covid we can't say for sure whether or not that will be the case. However, based on previous vaccination on similar viruses, it would suggest that it would be the same.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the mRNA vaccine model something that's never been used in a wide market? I read something about a couple flu, a rabies, and... Uh... A couple other types. My understanding is that results were far more modest than the animal results would have indicated they'd be. But has there ever been an attempt at an mRNA vaccine for a Coronavirus?

I mean, I'm not doubting what you're saying, merely looking for clarification. My understanding of coronavirus vaccines is that all attempts (prior to covid-19 outbreak) have been dramatic failures.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the mRNA vaccine model something that's never been used in a wide market? I read something about a couple flu, a rabies, and... Uh... A couple other types. My understanding is that results were far more modest than the animal results would have indicated they'd be. But has there ever been an attempt at an mRNA vaccine for a Coronavirus?

I mean, I'm not doubting what you're saying, merely looking for clarification. My understanding of coronavirus vaccines is that all attempts (prior to covid-19 outbreak) have been dramatic failures.


The vaccines are about 95% effective, which is better than most vaccines. The method doesn't really matter, because ultimately it results in an antibody response to viral proteins. Once you get to that point, nothing before that should matter as the immune system only sees viral proteins.

It's an expectation though, it's always possible that this is an exception. Exceptions happen and they have to be specifically studied to be found out.
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Dec 12 2020 05:54pm
95% effective against a scam thats made up and even after that is said dr bealchie is saying you all still going to wear the mask and social distance. their not goin to give up any fool thing they tricking the people into
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 12 2020 04:55pm)
The percentage of people suffering bells palsy in the whole population is 4 in 1000.

The amount of people that suffered bells palsy in the trial is 4 in 1000.

Im not getting the vaccine, but it definitely doesnt cause bells palsy.



Deaths is an incomplete metric. Life-years is more valuable.

When you prevent a 5 year old from going to school, it is worse than having an 80 year old die 6 years early.


Read that later on the bells palsy bit
Nonetheless i think I'll wait a few months to see if anything interesting pops up on the news related to this vaccine before trying it
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Quote (duffman316 @ Dec 12 2020 06:47pm)
Read that later on the bells palsy bit
Nonetheless i think I'll wait a few months to see if anything interesting pops up on the news related to this vaccine before trying it


You won't even have an opportunity to try it for several months. Healthcare workers worldwide are going to be the first targets anyway. My work said the earliest they'll get mass deployment is probably March.
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You won't even have an opportunity to try it for several months. Healthcare workers worldwide are going to be the first targets anyway. My work said the earliest they'll get mass deployment is probably March.


Canada is expecting to have it trickle in in january. Im hoping to get it around july to august if there is no terrible news by then.
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Read that later on the bells palsy bit
Nonetheless i think I'll wait a few months to see if anything interesting pops up on the news related to this vaccine before trying it


Indeed..

Another fun fact, the vaccine being produced in Australia caused a bunch of people to test positive for HIV

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