Quote (GetOnYourKnees @ Jan 3 2017 06:53pm)

He makes a distinction between murder (killing with intent) and killing because the voices he hears in his head tell him to. Of course, to a normal person such as yourself, this seems ridiculous. You can imagine what a powerful tool this would be in pre-information times - can you imagine if the US had written the bible, and they claimed a divine right to kill with impunity?



Your god's record is aginst him - he seems to be all for murdering children and infants. Are you so naive to think that he would never ask you to do the same?

But that's besides the point. By dodging the scenario and distancing yourself from it you've confirmed that you disagree with his actions in the particular case. Congratulations, we may get more sense out of you yet!

Quote (CPK001 @ Jan 3 2017 01:24pm)

Is it just to take the life of somebody who is charging at you with a knife with the intention to maim you? Perhaps you should become a policewoman and get back to me on that.

Is it just to take the life of somebody to end their misery? Perhaps they asked you to end their life for them. Would that be just? Is that murder?

Quote (CPK001 @ Jan 3 2017 01:24pm)

Now, what if God told the Americans to completely eradicate ISIS? No doubt you have seen all the terrorist acts they have committed. All those gunfires that have killed many Citizens, all those bombings. What if America eradicated all of ISIS except for one, who just happened to be the leader? Eventually, they will return with a vengeance. Don't believe me?

Look at Hitler's infamous order to halt the advance at Dunkirk for 48 hours. The German army was on the verge of a breakthrough and had cornered the allies. Those 48 hours gave the allies precious time to dig in and organize a defense of the evacuation beaches. He missed a stunning opportunity to deliver a crippling blow to the British, a moment which changed the course of the war and gave hope to the beleaguered Allies.

Later on, those 400,000 British soldiers were able to regroup and land on the Nazi-held beaches of Europe. The rest is history.
You have Biblical scripture, here and now scenarios and even World War history from Hitler himself with examples of what happens when you let an opportunity to purge the evil slip by. They regroup more powerful than ever before and with a vengeance.

Quote (GetOnYourKnees @ Jan 3 2017 11:14pm)

I don't think the children and infants would have been charging at the Israelites with knives, nor were they suicidal. I'm also guessing the livestock that your god ordered to be slaughtered didn't represent an immediate or future threat to the Israelites.



Your first point - the difference is, the US is not actively committing genocide. Are you saying that this is a bad idea? Do you think we should be slaughtering infants in their sleep? Maybe we should just nuke the entire Middle East to make sure noone else rises up against the West, as they always do...

The second point - again, genocide wasn't even on the cards at this point. We all know that Hitler was a monster because of what he did to the Jews, but how much difference is there between his methods and those of your god?

To say that your god is all-loving and all-just is simply laughable, and no amount of denial and absurd reasoning will change that.

Quote (CPK001 @ Jan 4 2017 01:58am)

No but when the infants and children eventually grow up they will want revenge. They purge the lesser evil now so the greater evil later on doesn't become apparent.

@bold: Yeah see! Now you're talking! That is a lovely idea! I'm glad that I was able to convince you of the most humane way to wipe out the entire Middle East. I'm so proud of you. :)

That is the thing, God isn't all-loving. He hated the other nations because of their despicable acts. I never claimed that God was all-loving.

You do not know about the character of God or what he is like. You are making God in your own image. I go by the God of the Bible. He is a jealous God, he will pour out his wrath on the unjust.

Quote (GetOnYourKnees @ Jan 4 2017 10:09pm)

But why can't you tell me why those children and infants and livestock were unjust?

If your hypothesised god ever existed, he was either very capricious, very lazy (i.e. couldn't be arsed to come up with a better solution) or very inept. It's pretty obvious though that the writers of this particular part of the bible saw and seized an opportunity to exploit the stupidity and gullibility of the population (which is still present in modern times) and gain the perfect excuse to massacre their nearest rivals without repercussions.

Quote (xfrodobagginsx @ Jan 25 2016 04:38am)

PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS. IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU COULD EVER DO AND IT ONLY TAKES A FEW MINUTES.

ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

There are some things that you should know:

1. Realize that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior:

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.

2. Because of our sins, we die both spiritually and physically, but God sent His Son to die so that you can have a chance not to have to go to hell by accepting what He did on the cross for you:

Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ro 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. for us."

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. That’s because you must be perfect in order to get to heaven. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.

3. If you will Admit to Jesus Christ that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior, Believe in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead and Accept Him as your Lord and Savior and you will be forgiven and taken to heaven to be with Him when you die.

Joh 1:12 “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name”

Ro 10:9,10 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.."

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus, believing in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins and placing your trust in Him. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS?

ARE YOU WILLING TO TURN TO JESUS CHRIST FOR SALVATION?

4. If you are willing to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and believe it with all of your heart, you could pray something like this to God from your heart:

"Dear Lord Jesus, I believe that You died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, save me, take me to be with You when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."

If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.

Quote (CPK001 @ Jan 4 2017 02:03pm)

The children will grow up to be sinful just like their parents. God will judge the parents accordingly, yet when the children and infants die they still haven't done anything wrong at the time so when they get judged they aren't capable of sinning so it is likely they are 'saved' so to speak because they died before they became sinners.

How ironic that in killing the children and infants that they are saved from eternal damnation?

Wouldn't it be better to save them then as opposed to letting them grow up into unjust sinners and thus being condemned into eternal damnation?

Explain that to me.

Quote (GetOnYourKnees @ Jan 4 2017 08:31am)

You cannot be serious :lol:

First you make an assumption that all of the murdered infants will grow up to be sinners, without knowing them, their parents or their circumstances. And that's not even mentioning the livestock - how can a goat sin?

Oh but it's alright that they were slaughtered and died in horrendous pain, because you think they'll be 'saved' and have a better deal next time :rofl:

I kno christians are not the greatest thinkers, but my god, you should be ashamed of yourself :lol:

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 4 2017 05:20pm)

The irony. There are intelligent atheists out there but you're not one of them. You lack even rudimentary knowledge of Christianity and dogma but continue to assert your ignorance.

Everyone sins, and grow up to be a sinner, regardless of parents or circumstances. This is a basic Biblical truth that's made clear in the the first book of the Bible, Genesis. You may disagree with the claim but you're not even there... you don't even know the claim, yet continue to run your mouth.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 4 2017 05:20pm)

The livestock doesn't sin...considering they have no free will.

Quote (GetOnYourKnees @ 4 Jan 2017 19:27)

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