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Quote (ForcesOfNature @ Dec 30 2021 10:54am)
Is this still your belief?


Which part?

That friend died, FWIW. Is it my belief that the vaccine works? Yes, it reduces the likelihood of hospitalization/death significantly. As to the ability to limit the spread of the disease, the jury is out on that. It helps with controlling spread of the original strains, but that appears to not be the case with the newer ones.
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Quote (Santara @ Dec 30 2021 09:52am)
Which part?

That friend died, FWIW. Is it my belief that the vaccine works? Yes, it reduces the likelihood of hospitalization/death significantly. As to the ability to limit the spread of the disease, the jury is out on that. It helps with controlling spread of the original strains, but that appears to not be the case with the newer ones.


Ye

Omicron is more transmissible but not as deadly... So honestly not a bad thing

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Quote (Santara @ Dec 30 2021 12:52pm)
Which part?

That friend died, FWIW. Is it my belief that the vaccine works? Yes, it reduces the likelihood of hospitalization/death significantly. As to the ability to limit the spread of the disease, the jury is out on that. It helps with controlling spread of the original strains, but that appears to not be the case with the newer ones.



Sorry to hear.
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Quote (SlamFkingDunk @ Dec 30 2021 09:53am)
Ye

Omicron is more transmissible but not as deadly... So honestly not a bad thing


If its twice as transmissible as delta but half as deadly, with uncontrolled spread more people will end up in the hospital not less because the growth is exponential.
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Quote (SlamFkingDunk @ Dec 30 2021 11:53am)
Ye

Omicron is more transmissible but not as deadly... So honestly not a bad thing


As long as we get over the initial spread without overloading the hospital's than yeah, Omicron will be a pretty good thing

But Omicron has lower hospitalization with much higher spread so it's still possible that we get 10 times the cases over a shorter. Of time and we still end up getting a lot of deaths and hospitalization

So we still need to take it seriously but we can cross our fingers that there's a potential way out
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Dec 30 2021 01:08pm
Quote (Santara @ Dec 30 2021 12:52pm)
Which part?

That friend died, FWIW. Is it my belief that the vaccine works? Yes, it reduces the likelihood of hospitalization/death significantly. As to the ability to limit the spread of the disease, the jury is out on that. It helps with controlling spread of the original strains, but that appears to not be the case with the newer ones.


My wife and daughter have had covid the past two weeks. They are vaccinated. My daughter's second time having it. I'm boosted and have no symptoms.

Death rate for boosted people in hospital is less than .1%. Deaths of people with vaccines is .7%. It is several percent for those hospitalized without a vaccine. Numbers don't lie. Vaccines are a resounding success.


Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 30 2021 01:58pm)
As long as we get over the initial spread without overloading the hospital's than yeah, Omicron will be a pretty good thing

But Omicron has lower hospitalization with much higher spread so it's still possible that we get 10 times the cases over a shorter. Of time and we still end up getting a lot of deaths and hospitalization

So we still need to take it seriously but we can cross our fingers that there's a potential way out


We have no beds. We moved dialysis to make more ICU beds. If you have a heart attack or stroke in my county you can't get a bed because unvaccinated people are filling them up. There are none. We have people in weird places getting treated. People around here are that selfish and hateful to their neighbors it seems.

When they die they call us murderers because they were too stupid to use free and available treatments to stay alive.

We have a dude dying in our senior behavioral unit and we can't get him to medical because they are full. Doing medical treatments on a psych unit not meant for it.

Hospital work is hard right now. It isn't staffing either although that has been challenging.

#casemanagement

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My wife and daughter have had covid the past two weeks. They are vaccinated. My daughter's second time having it. I'm boosted and have no symptoms.

Death rate for boosted people in hospital is less than .1%. Deaths of people with vaccines is .7%. It is several percent for those hospitalized without a vaccine. Numbers don't lie. Vaccines are a resounding success.


My wife just got over it, and she completed a two-dose vaccination regimen in July. Neither of my kids caught it from her, one vaccinated before her, the other not at all. I had the Rona a year ago, and a vaccine shot in May. I spent probably 2 solid weeks breathing all the same air as my wife, no masks or anything, and I didn't catch it again.
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Quote (Skinned @ Dec 30 2021 01:08pm)
My wife and daughter have had covid the past two weeks. They are vaccinated. My daughter's second time having it. I'm boosted and have no symptoms.

Death rate for boosted people in hospital is less than .1%. Deaths of people with vaccines is .7%. It is several percent for those hospitalized without a vaccine. Numbers don't lie. Vaccines are a resounding success.




We have no beds. We moved dialysis to make more ICU beds. If you have a heart attack or stroke in my county you can't get a bed because unvaccinated people are filling them up. There are none. We have people in weird places getting treated. People around here are that selfish and hateful to their neighbors it seems.

When they die they call us murderers because they were too stupid to use free and available treatments to stay alive.

We have a dude dying in our senior behavioral unit and we can't get him to medical because they are full. Doing medical treatments on a psych unit not meant for it.

Hospital work is hard right now. It isn't staffing either although that has been challenging.

#casemanagement


Related to bold: https://www.propublica.org/article/they-were-the-pandemics-perfect-victims
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We have no beds. We moved dialysis to make more ICU beds. If you have a heart attack or stroke in my county you can't get a bed because unvaccinated people are filling them up. There are none. We have people in weird places getting treated. People around here are that selfish and hateful to their neighbors it seems.

When they die they call us murderers because they were too stupid to use free and available treatments to stay alive.


Damn this is completely crazy, unvaccinated should have inferior priority, i don't understand.
Especially in a country like U.S
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Dec 30 2021 04:05pm)
Damn this is completely crazy, unvaccinated should have inferior priority, i don't understand.
Especially in a country like U.S


The problem with that is it runs counter to the Hippocratic Oath which every doctor takes.
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