Not really, it started from Attack on Vilno, a month earlier, followed by Polish-Lithuanian War and ongoing Polish-Ukrainian War.

This post was edited by Norlander on May 28 2022 04:34am

Hitler:

Had this notion of creating "living room" (i.e. invading other countries).

Putin:

inherited a diminished Russia and does not want to see Russia diminished further. was about to lose strategic military port - thus invaded crimea. was about to lose strategic ally, thus invaded ukraine.

these are different drivers.

Who attacked Vilno? Our history books says it was Red Army that attacked Vilno at 5 I 1919 and pushed Lithuanians out.
So even if it was 1month earlier than Mosty, it was still Russian attack.

I agree with that.

Your description of Russia is wrong.
Ukraine was independent for like 30years already, long before Putin time, and wanted independence since 100 years at least.
So when you say that Russia doesnt want to "loose more key allies", you are wrong. They lost them long ago.
Also Russia recently made demands for USA to get away their nukes from whole Europe. While they were present here for like 50years?
They have also made demands to humilate nato, by forcing it to take troops from eastern members, while Russians do war right on nato border. Its unacceptable demands.
Simply speaking, they try to bring back the territories they long ago had under their occupation as an Empire. At first. We dont know if they stop there. Why should they?
With Russians everything is fine, then one day you get a letter with new demands.

About Crimea port, cant they move it elsewhere? They have territories on the eastern side of the sea?
Anyway for myself, since Crimea is defacto under Russian control for 8years, it can stay Russian.

Have you seen the genocide Russian did in Ukraine? Its unacceptable, really.

Why should they attack what they already had? It was Poland to restore it's borders of the end of XIX according to Pilsudski, fighting Ukraine, Lithuania and Czechoslovakia. This period was described by W. Churchill as "The Wars of the Pygmies".

Russia had no problem with Ukraine being independant. its like having an ex-wife. you can go live your life i wish you well and sorry it did not work out.
Russia had a problem with his ex-wife getting in to bed with his enemy.

i have used this analogy before.

also america placed nukes close to russia before russia tried to do the same so well...i mean i can pick holes in everything you say but well, im not pro-russian, im pro-advancement and betterment of man-kind and yes russia is a dead end under putin.

anyway, im afk for the next day~ish so someone else can try their hand at this. if you stop referring to hitler we can move on.

This post was edited by ferdia on May 28 2022 05:57am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/26/ukraine-frontline-russia-military-severodonetsk/

Very grim picture of the state of the Ukrainian military currently engaged on the front lines. Almost entirely untrained, unequipped, without supplies or rations, no leadership, no strategy, no medics, no evacuations, not even a radio for orders. Basically digging into basements and the forests and getting pounded by Russian airstrikes and artillery, their only hope to engage Russians is to dig in enough that they can ambush Russians when they advance past them. Completely outmatched and no expectation to accomplish any military objectives. Already over 50% losses for the unit in the report. And that's a unit of volunteer military-grade male adults, let alone the child soldiers and elderly being pressed into service.

You didnt have Vilnus in 1918. Germans were there. Germans retreated after signing peace treaty in late 1918 and Polish people were the first to take control of the emptied city.
Soviets later came on 5.01.1919 and took it by force.

Since 2008 no progress was made on Ukraine entering NATO.
But there should have been. We have given a neutral Ukraine as a sign of goodwill between NATO and Russia. If we accepted Ukraine into NATO, all these bad things wouldnt happen, as Ukraine would be safe and protected. We did a very wrong choice as a NATO.

Do you know that during the cold war Russia put their nukes in Poland? As far west country as they could possibly put it? Now they had to move them out of here, so they moved them to Kaliningrad and Belarus, which are also their most western areas possible.

I understand you might have an allergy on the word Hitler, I dont really agree with you on that, as I see a lot of analogy but I will maybe think about some other comparisons.