remember i had 1 grandfather in a concentration camp and another lost his legs. I have repeatedly referred to the perils of godwins law (all arguments lead to references to WW2). I in no way support his comments (comparing putin to hitler, russia to germany) but he has refused to relent. All I am saying is that not everything he says is overboard, some of his comments have merit (just like everyone elses). He is bringing his own experience and cultural position to the thread, and providing his views. some of those i completely disagree with, some i am neutral with and some i agree with.

This post was edited by ferdia on May 27 2022 04:01am

I'd rather post news and facts than my own opinion when no one is asking for it

well the problem ofc is that 1 persons facts is anothers fiction. the best thing in these situations is to challenge people to seriously debate the merits of the opposing side, but well, i dont think jsp is capable of that.

It's still better to provide news to make people form their own opinion rather than translate your own which is based on "another person's fiction". Well served news are easier to digest and can be deconstructed to it's source, then checked.

i was reminded of chopstix so i went off to see what he was up to. he posted this video on his blog recently:

/edit update: video removed.

i watched the video and removed it. while it started off as relevant, it descended into too much hate speech against finland. On this point, similar to references to WW2 and Hitler, there should be a degree of self awareness as to what is accepted and not accepted to be posted.

one point made early on though:

if the KKK suddenly wanted to join the US military, to have their own battalion and to be told they could do w/e they wanted while in the army, what would that say of the US army.
now look at Ukraine in that light. it really does blow ones mind.

I am not saying that Russia is the good guys here, they are not. I am saying we are creating so many long term problems.

This post was edited by ferdia on May 27 2022 05:06am

Where's the fuckup? Voicing NATO aspirations is still not an act of aggression. If Russia was willing it would have started a proper diplomatic procedure concerning its Black Sea Fleet, but instead it proceeds to covertly invade and annex Crimea and you somehow find that defendable.

The whole Ukraine thing seems to be a primarily internal power struggle at the expense of Ukrainian lives. There is no real reason for Russia to consider NATO and the West as its adversary unless we accept the fact it never became a liberal democracy after the Soviet collapse, but just changed its economic and ideological guise. I have no idea why are you defending Russia's position as if it were a victim. The country is actively becoming more and more authoritarian.

You also gotta be honest and understand that one side is rooting for a faction that allows for a better representation of your very own ideals while the other side is the authoritarian bogeyman you paint the Western left to be or become and you somehow end up defending the latter. To me it just confirms your urge to be a special unique snowflake every time, everywhere. Youre bringing Forti to an Enigma fight for sheer principle.

This post was edited by Neptunus on May 27 2022 04:50am

Ohhh so you think NATO should be handed Sevastopol on a silver platter. It doesn't work like that in international politics. Git gud now little frog.

And slurp some more Russian gas while you're at it. Slurp slurp frenchies still buying that gas slurp slurp




There is no alternative to Russia's Black Sea fleet and in any case they need this ice-free harbor. You should look it up.

I'm not defending Russia, I understand that international politics cannot be a one sided affair. No country in the world would accept to be surrounded and losing their most important naval base.

In any case, I doubt anyone trusts NATO after Iraq 2.0. That's probably the biggest fuckup

another one from the guardian (england):

"US voices 'concerns about escalation' as west steps up long-range weaponry to Ukraine. Western countries led by the United States have provided Ukraine with long-range weaponry, including M777 howitzers from Washington and Harpoon anti-ship missiles from Denmark. Washington is even considering providing Kyiv with a rocket system that can have a range of hundreds of kilometres, and has held discussions with Kyiv about the danger of escalation if it strikes deep inside Russia, US and diplomatic officials told Reuters. We have concerns about escalation and yet still do not want to put geographic limits or tie their hands too much with the stuff we’re giving them,” one US official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity."

They voice concerns over events which they are fueling. Well at least they are honest about it.

What did I say about Hitler and ww2 that you dislike?
Honestly have no idea.


I dont have any problem, I just wanted to know if you are Singaporean or Chinese or other nation, to understand your history, your position.
About the chinese occupation. Chinese promised HongKong people freedom, one country two systems, at least "grace period" until 2047year for existing people to live their lifes as they did before.
yet they didnt really fulfill it, and took away people freedom.
Protests were shut by force, and many HongKong people were inprisoned in mainland China.
So I personally consider China actions in HongKong unlawful, and therefore an occupation of the free citizens of HongKong.
Not the worst occupation in the human history, but still an occupation.
Please note this is my personal opinion only.