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May 26 2022 02:16pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 26 2022 08:33pm)
The us/eu can spend w/e they can but this war is not making sense to them anymore. You look at the situation in the US right now. They are complaining about Biden giving that much money to Ukraine and yet they cannot even solve the baby formula issue.
Ukraine offensive not in Ukraine but offensive into Russia.
Zelensky doesn't care about the cost anyways , most of the funds and military equipment is from US and EU.
But the key here is , it seems to the "experts" in Taiwan are saying that the US is thinking twice about continuing such heavy support. And if the US starts to waver, the EU might follow suit.
It doesn't look good for the Ukrainians at all.

Therefore, ( as the Taiwanese debate show said ) If the US / West do not get involved " more ", then maybe this will be a lost cost.
The amount of military equipment given to the Ukrainians are also disappearing left right and center. Everyone is wondering what is happening right now.

That is what I was watching and what they were saying.


internal policy is one thing foreign policy is something else. both parties in the US are happy to kick the shit out of russia ok.
the only reason why the US would waver is not because of running out of dollars but because their experts are telling them that ukraine is winning (and that therefore russia will have no alternative but to nuke them). where can i read about the us wavering ? /edit they are not wavering. forget about polls and public opinion, both parties in the US are delighted with the progress in the war ok. it will probably be a long time before the us backs down and only when the risk is perceived, by them, to be too high.

This post was edited by ferdia on May 26 2022 02:28pm
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Quote (ferdia @ 27 May 2022 04:16)
internal policy is one thing foreign policy is something else. both parties in the US are happy to kick the shit out of russia ok.
the only reason why the US would waver is not because of running out of dollars but because their experts are telling them that ukraine is winning (and that therefore russia will have no alternative but to nuke them).


And if Russia nuke. Godspeed to everyone of us.
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May 26 2022 02:20pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 26 2022 09:17pm)
And if Russia nuke. Godspeed to everyone of us.


well if one plants mines dont be surprised when they blow up in ones face. probably wait a few more weeks/months, what is the current situation on missles to sink the russian fleet, anything i can read about that ? if anyone has links.

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May 26 2022 02:26pm
News around the world:

"STUTTGART, Germany—Inside a reconfigured conference room not much bigger than a high school basketball gym, more than a hundred troops from 30 different countries are planning, plotting, and tracking almost every Western bullet heading to Ukraine. In just the past several weeks, British troops, with help from their American counterparts, have transformed a sleepy conference room here at Patch Barracks into one of the nerve centers within the NATO alliance for fielding Ukraine’s weapons requests. Their task is to get artillery, tanks, fighter aircraft, ammunition, and nonlethal aid like helmets from the heart of Europe into the fight in the Donbas, with the help of a handful of Ukrainian liaison officers in the room working the phones with soldiers on the front lines."

and

https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-does-40-billion-aid-ukraine-buy

Yes - clear evidence of the show must go on! lets keep sending ukraine weapons

"Polls show US support for Ukraine waning as Biden administration steps up aid"

No - its a poll, seriously its like gun crime in the US, who the hell cares about polls, ultimately the politicians get paid by the NRA, no new laws, and for Ukraine, the US is winning, who cares what some random poll shows, this is not a democracy ok, they are fighting for the greater good and god is on their side.

i will go edit my above post - no way in hell is the US pausing (yet). Why stop now, they are winning.

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May 26 2022 04:50pm
Where do I get some of these for the 4th, they look beautiful

Kidding obviously. Ukrainian soldier filming Russian incendiary munitions coming down on Ukrainian positions

https://twitter.com/Harri_Est/status/1529739991777255426
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May 26 2022 05:08pm
Quote (Djunior @ May 26 2022 11:03am)
You have no idea what you're talking about. Instead of mutual security the West persisted on surrounding Russia and installing all kind of weapon systems right on it's borders. You cannot deny it it's history. It's explained to you multiple times.

Russia is not weaker they got 6K nukes. Already explained to you.

Keep it going, press on further to the East, pump Ukraine full of weapons and so on and we'll see what will happen to you and your country. Good luck.


Keep in mind youre trying to make a case for an aggressor state. Beginning by annexation, then pumping eastern separatists in Ukraine with weapons and finally full-scale invading. Ukraine has done none of those prior to Crimea and the war in Donbas

Quote (Djunior @ May 26 2022 01:18pm)
NATO countries have access to NATO weapons and equipment, this is obvious. Are you saying Poland doesn't use NATO equipment? If I'd ask google I'm pretty sure a long list of all kind of shit pops up.

Also NATO members take part in NATO exercises which oftentimes happen near the borders of non-NATO countries. It's easy to see this as a provocation. NATO stating it's only a show of force meant as deterrent doesn't matter to the other side. If you think about it you can understand this.

Most importantly missile defense bases were planned in Europe, Poland accepted and the base was planned in Redzikowo. Now it's replaced by Aegis missile defense system.


Russia has consistently done airspace violations in neighboring countries in addition to its own military exercises near its western border.
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Quote (Neptunus @ May 26 2022 06:08pm)
Keep in mind youre trying to make a case for an aggressor state. Beginning by annexation, then pumping eastern separatists in Ukraine with weapons and finally full-scale invading. Ukraine has done none of those prior to Crimea and the war in Donbas


The US backed a coup that overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine because it was too friendly with Russia and not friendly enough with the west. We then seized Ukraine and micromanaged its new government, with the CIA picking officials and filling the oligarchy, in some cases directly replacing Russian oligarchs with CIA officials, because plausible deniability and subtlety are overrated.
Those who supported the coup can play word games and try to pretend its a transfer of power, but in the eyes of Russia its clear NATO aggression, and they have good reason to treat it as such.
Then when the eastern half of the country that supported the democratic government seceded and aligned with Russia, the western-backed west Ukraine spent 8 years laying siege to them in a hot war.

There's no moral high ground or legitimacy to fall back on here.
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May 26 2022 05:39pm
Quote (Norlander @ 26 May 2022 16:26)
So racist... Vietnamese even look different.


It's more complicated than that, don't forget chinese were not here, so we can't know if they would applaud. Maybe the situation wasn't very comfortable for them to they had another meeting ?

It was "Schrödinger's chinese who don't applaud"

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May 26 2022 06:29pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 27 May 2022 02:39)
It's more complicated than that, don't forget chinese were not here, so we can't know if they would applaud. Maybe the situation wasn't very comfortable for them to they had another meeting ?

It was "Schrödinger's chinese who don't applaud"


Poisonous frog it was?
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May 26 2022 07:51pm
Pretty good read and feels like a much more honest view of reality. Can't help but feel bad for them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/26/ukraine-frontline-russia-military-severodonetsk/

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