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May 26 2022 05:53am
Quote (ferdia @ 26 May 2022 18:33)
In the round, Russia has lived with Poland in Nato for a long time now. In my view the issue is not that Poland is in Nato but rather Ukraine's aspirations to be in Nato. I have neither the will nor the time to refute the notion that Putin is Hitler or Russia is WW2 Germany. Ultimately there is no change at the moment which is why I am not posting. its a wait and see right now noting Ukraine would appear to be looking for events on the ground to create a better position with which to negotiate with Russia, eventually.


Funny thing I heard

The EU is supposed to be sanctioning and not buying Russian oil and gas products.
But an interview with CNN kind of indicate that they need to buy from Russia so that Russia will not sell it to elsewhere for a higher price so that the Russians will make more money and thus become better funded to fuel their current aggression.
Any idea?
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 26 May 2022 14:53)
Funny thing I heard

The EU is supposed to be sanctioning and not buying Russian oil and gas products.
But an interview with CNN kind of indicate that they need to buy from Russia so that Russia will not sell it to elsewhere for a higher price so that the Russians will make more money and thus become better funded to fuel their current aggression.
Any idea?


They have to support Russia or someone else will do it for a profit which is unacceptable.
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May 26 2022 06:32am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 26 2022 12:53pm)
Funny thing I heard

The EU is supposed to be sanctioning and not buying Russian oil and gas products.
But an interview with CNN kind of indicate that they need to buy from Russia so that Russia will not sell it to elsewhere for a higher price so that the Russians will make more money and thus become better funded to fuel their current aggression.
Any idea?


the notion you have outlined is a soundbite. it does not detract from the obvious facts but its irrelevant to my mind.

to expand on this point, the EU can not economically decouple from Russia in a day. Its a bit like Brexit. England (Russia) can go it alone now but they are going to probably suffer in the short term (10-20 years) until they re-orientate. The fact that this is news, means its a slow day for news - as all this (to me anyway) is self-evident.

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Quote (ferdia @ 26 May 2022 20:32)
the notion you have outlined is a soundbite. it does not detract from the obvious facts but its irrelevant to my mind.


you are too deep with this my English not so good.
:lol:
Can simplify ?
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 26 2022 01:34pm)
you are too deep with this my English not so good.
:lol:
Can simplify ?


small edit :) see above.
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May 26 2022 06:46am
Quote (ferdia @ 26 May 2022 20:32)
the notion you have outlined is a soundbite. it does not detract from the obvious facts but its irrelevant to my mind.

to expand on this point, the EU can not economically decouple from Russia in a day. Its a bit like Brexit. England (Russia) can go it alone now but they are going to probably suffer in the short term (10-20 years) until they re-orientate. The fact that this is news, means its a slow day for news - as all this (to me anyway) is self-evident.


Ah I understand now. My command of English have went into a downward spiral since I moved to hong kong.
I have been speaking a lot of Mandarin and Cantonese ( Mostly Cantonese ) for the past 11 Years.
I need to hangout more with those ABC, CBC, BBCs...
Basically overseas born Chinese.
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May 26 2022 06:54am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 26 May 2022 13:53)
Funny thing I heard

The EU is supposed to be sanctioning and not buying Russian oil and gas products.
But an interview with CNN kind of indicate that they need to buy from Russia so that Russia will not sell it to elsewhere for a higher price so that the Russians will make more money and thus become better funded to fuel their current aggression.
Any idea?

That makes zero sense from a fundamental, economics point of view. If Russia could realize a higher price from a different buyer, there would be absolutely no reason for them to continue selling to Europe at the lower price.


Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 26 May 2022 14:46)
I need to hangout more with those [...] BBCs...

Uuh....
...
:unsure:


This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 26 2022 06:54am
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 26 May 2022 20:54)
That makes zero sense from a fundamental, economics point of view. If Russia could realize a higher price from a different buyer, there would be absolutely no reason for them to continue selling to Europe at the lower price.



Uuh....
...
:unsure:



How do you embargo Russian's oil and prevent them from selling it to someone else for higher price?
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May 26 2022 07:04am
putin was WEF
what is unclear is if he still is? has he gone rouge?

consider this
The WEF Annual Meeting of the New Champions (“Summer Davos Forum”) has been held each year in China since 2007, with Tianjin and Dalian taking turns to host. WEF also holds several regional summits each year. China has maintained sound cooperation relations with WEF since 1979.

where ever the WEF is so is covidiot world
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May 26 2022 07:07am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 26 May 2022 14:59)
How do you embargo Russian's oil and prevent them from selling it to someone else for higher price?
:blink:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0FVmkTj2Cg


What I'm saying is that the argument you originally referred to has no logic to it. If Russia could already find a new buyer who's paying a higher price than what the Euros are paying right now, then Russia could announce such an embargo of their own against Europe (and go with the new, richer buyer instead).

Under the premise that the Russians aren't complete imbeciles, the fact that they haven't announced such an embargo of their own proves that they do not have an alternative buyer for their oil and gas who would be paying a higher price. They might have alternative buyers who could jump in if Europe settles on an embargo against Russia, but the Russians very clearly would get a lower price from them, rather than a higher one.

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