What do you mean by that?

e/ I never get tired watching theists bicker over how best to bend over backwards trying to interpret their holy text in a certain light. Keep it up!

This post was edited by GetOnYourKnees on Jan 1 2017 05:14pm

It is good to look at the whole passage surrounding that verse to give it context.

In Romans 5:1 it says "Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."
Then Romans 5:6 it says "For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly."
Next Romans 5:8-10 says "but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. For if while we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.

So from what I can take out of these verses is that we have been justified by faith with God through Jesus Christ. Notice it does not say anything about good works. Jesus Christ died for us while we were still sinners and he died for the ungodly. God has shown us his love in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
So now that we have been justified by his blood, how much more are we saved from the wrath of God? When we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his son, now that we are reconciled how much more are we saved by his life?

The book of Romans makes it clear that "for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23
It also teaches us about the consequences of sin "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" Romans 6:23

I mean it does not work for a person to be religious because their moral conduct is not good.
This fundamentalist concept that makes Christianity is irrational.
Christianity comes down to the law of love, unconditional love.
We do not need religious denominations to be a good man, just want.

The basic concept of Christianity is that we are all sinners, we all fall short of the mark, there is none righteous, we all deserve God's wrath. It's not a fundamentalist concept, it's a Christian concept.

That's why spiritists are not considered Christians, because they reject the most central doctrines laid out in the Bible. They pretend that Jesus only said the feel good stuff, and everything else was inserted by corrupt men.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jan 2 2017 02:26pm

then we can consider that the Islamic state with all his anger is God's justice?
If God has primitive feelings equal to humans, we are all doomed ...
The Spiritist Doctrine does not distort the gospel of Jesus, we consider the moral laws that are of extreme importance for the earthly life and for the return to the true spiritual homeland.
Call it Christian life.

Christianity, God is an asshole, but we get rewarded for pretending he's not, so we overcompensate and say HE'S THE BEST DADDY EVER! I WISH MY DAD DIED AND YOU WERE MY DADDY!

Icemage confirmed sadomasochist

What does the Islamic State have to do with what I said?

Well, God definitely doesn't have feelings in that sense. Does the justice system have feelings when it judges?

There is no gospel of Jesus, there's a gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. They were written by men. That's the only way we know what Jesus said.

I don't understand why you use the word Christian. You like some of Jesus's teachings, you don't like others so you pretend He didn't say them. You ignore the rest of the Bible.



God is all loving and all just. I know, life would be easier for you if there wasn't a creator and He didn't reveal Himself throughout history as recorded in the Bible, but you'll have to deal with it.

Pretty low bar for "all"

So how do you reconcile the idea of an all-loving and all-just god with one who orders the execution of children and infants?

e/ I'm not even trying you to catch you out at this point, I'm genuinely interested to see what kind of acrobatical reasoning you can come up with

This post was edited by GetOnYourKnees on Jan 2 2017 05:11pm