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May 26 2022 02:36am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 26 May 2022 11:26)
Putin declined to apply to enter NATO... Even if it was possible:
Vladimir Putin wanted Russia to join Nato but did not want his country to have to go through the usual application process and stand in line “with a lot of countries that don’t matter”, according to a former secretary general of the transatlantic alliance.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule


‘Well, we’re not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”


Sounds like Trump
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May 26 2022 02:48am
Quote (Djunior @ 26 May 2022 10:03)
You have no idea what you're talking about. Instead of mutual security the West persisted on surrounding Russia and installing all kind of weapon systems right on it's borders. You cannot deny it it's history. It's explained to you multiple times.

Russia is not weaker they got 6K nukes. Already explained to you.

Keep it going, press on further to the East, pump Ukraine full of weapons and so on and we'll see what will happen to you and your country. Good luck.


Ok so Poland joined the NATO, and where are these "all kinds of weapon systems" here? In what region, in what city?
There are none. NATO decided not to put weapon systems near Russia, not to put NATO bases close to Russia. There are no NATO bases in Poland, Americans only visit us from time to time for exercises, but no American troops station here permanently. NATO also didnt accept Ukraine entry.
It was all done to keep Russia happy.
How did Russia react to all of this? Attacked Ukraine.
Appasement politics didnt work with Hitler, doesnt work now with Putin. The villains only accept "no", if you start feeding them they will just keep asking for more and more. And it will be more difficult to stop them when they grow. If they get Ukraine, they will put some heavy propaganda, and will make like 1mln army recruits out of Ukraine. So the next war, you need to fight 1million Russian troops, and 1 million Ukrainians. And it will be much more difficult to fight them.
Im aware Russists have nukes, but its not a kind of weapon that you use on assaults. Its a defensive weapon, used as a last resort.
Nobody wants the end of the world, even Russia, so they wont start a nuclear war, unless they have other options.
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May 26 2022 02:59am
Quote (Ironfister @ 26 May 2022 08:24)
The partial solution to this german problem are floating gas terminals.
Germany plans to have its first terminal operational in Wilhelmshaven before the year is out, allowing for the import of upwards of 5 billion cubic meters per year. The second ship, also from the Norwegian company Hoegh, will be in place by early 2023.
The problem is the supply side. This year there wont be enough gas available to all Europe to replace Russian gas.
Should be enough to keep houses warm, but companies will be limited and nobody likes that.
Honestly i believe this is the reason why Germany is so soft on Russia.


Curious how much % of germany natural gas goes into individual house homes
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Quote (Ironfister @ 26 May 2022 09:25)
Dear friend, EU has already cut its Russian oil imports by 2/3, to a total of 12% of our oil usage (was 35% before the war).

Yeah, because we made use of the "low hanging fruit" in terms of replacment, like for example getting Norway to ramp up its production. The last third of Russian oil imports which we weren't able to phase out until now will be most difficult to replace.

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Russia can sell to China and India, but they wont pay them as much as Europeans.

At any given world market price for oil, they will be paying less than the Europeans - but if the global prices go up (like they definitely would in case of a short-term squeeze), they would of course also pay higher prices than they currently do. So this doesn't contradict the argument that higher prices could offset a lower sales volume in case of an embargo.


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Also Russia doesnt have oil pipelines to these countries, needs to use more expensive and difficult transport routes, like ships or trucks.
You can see the difference chart between Russian urals and western Brent oil. Russians are now getting much lower price, and lets keep it this way. The less money they have, the worse they will do at war.
https://www.neste.com/investors/market-data/urals-brent-price-difference#9e276255

This spread reflects not just the higher shipping costs (no pipelines, longer distance) for Russian oil, but also the political risk and the currently-ongoing reshuffling of the oil market.

For example, crude oil comes in different shapes and forms and not every refinery is equipped to process each type of crude oil. So while the European refineries which were geared toward Russian oil don't want it anymore, it will take some time for China or India to build up new refinery capacity for Russian oil, thus leading to a short-term oversupply and hence declining prices. The spread between Urals and Brent may well be temporary.

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May 26 2022 04:18am
Quote (Ironfister @ May 26 2022 10:48am)
Ok so Poland joined the NATO, and where are these "all kinds of weapon systems" here? In what region, in what city?
There are none. NATO decided not to put weapon systems near Russia, not to put NATO bases close to Russia. There are no NATO bases in Poland, Americans only visit us from time to time for exercises, but no American troops station here permanently. NATO also didnt accept Ukraine entry.
It was all done to keep Russia happy.
How did Russia react to all of this? Attacked Ukraine.
Appasement politics didnt work with Hitler, doesnt work now with Putin. The villains only accept "no", if you start feeding them they will just keep asking for more and more. And it will be more difficult to stop them when they grow. If they get Ukraine, they will put some heavy propaganda, and will make like 1mln army recruits out of Ukraine. So the next war, you need to fight 1million Russian troops, and 1 million Ukrainians. And it will be much more difficult to fight them.
Im aware Russists have nukes, but its not a kind of weapon that you use on assaults. Its a defensive weapon, used as a last resort.
Nobody wants the end of the world, even Russia, so they wont start a nuclear war, unless they have other options.




NATO countries have access to NATO weapons and equipment, this is obvious. Are you saying Poland doesn't use NATO equipment? If I'd ask google I'm pretty sure a long list of all kind of shit pops up.

Also NATO members take part in NATO exercises which oftentimes happen near the borders of non-NATO countries. It's easy to see this as a provocation. NATO stating it's only a show of force meant as deterrent doesn't matter to the other side. If you think about it you can understand this.

Most importantly missile defense bases were planned in Europe, Poland accepted and the base was planned in Redzikowo. Now it's replaced by Aegis missile defense system.

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May 26 2022 04:30am
Quote (Norlander @ 26 May 2022 08:36)
Sounds like Trump


Too classy for NATO !
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May 26 2022 04:33am
In the round, Russia has lived with Poland in Nato for a long time now. In my view the issue is not that Poland is in Nato but rather Ukraine's aspirations to be in Nato. I have neither the will nor the time to refute the notion that Putin is Hitler or Russia is WW2 Germany. Ultimately there is no change at the moment which is why I am not posting. its a wait and see right now noting Ukraine would appear to be looking for events on the ground to create a better position with which to negotiate with Russia, eventually.
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May 26 2022 05:29am
Quote (ferdia @ May 26 2022 03:33am)
In the round, Russia has lived with Poland in Nato for a long time now. In my view the issue is not that Poland is in Nato but rather Ukraine's aspirations to be in Nato. I have neither the will nor the time to refute the notion that Putin is Hitler or Russia is WW2 Germany. Ultimately there is no change at the moment which is why I am not posting. its a wait and see right now noting Ukraine would appear to be looking for events on the ground to create a better position with which to negotiate with Russia, eventually.


the lefties call ev1 hitler

lefties are commies that have been brainwashed into believing that communism is the total opposite of nazism. so yea anyone that wont jack boot with them is labeled a nazi/hitler

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May 26 2022 05:41am
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the lefties call ev1 hitler

lefties are commies that have been brainwashed into believing that communism is the total opposite of nazism. so yea anyone that wont jack boot with them is labeled a nazi/hitler


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doent even makes sense. makes as much sense as snail eating. france lose a bet? is that how that happened?
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